More tools and gauges...

fausto · 11-15-2009, 03:19 AM

Hello! Very new to the Forum, so, first of all, regards to you all. I collect military pistols and revolvers, with a special eye to Lugers. I love a lot any sort of related items, ancillaries, gauges, tools and so on. I would like to share with you some items in my collection. Nothing so special but two or three items are not so often encountered.
The first drawer is dedicated to Swiss stuff. The two interesting pieces are, in the center, the "Richtvirrichtung WD30-130 der W+F fur den Abzugwinkelhebel"... that's to say, as you can see, a tool to bent the trigger lever and reach the proper trigger pressure. Just above (and left to it) the round "drum" is a gauge to check the proper height of the bullet cannelure. You can see a bullet inside the tool. The rest is normal stuff...Btw, all Parabellum 1906/29 parts are not stripped from guns, but are all original spare parts from W+F.
Tha second drawer: worth of note are the gauges: two firing pin protrusion and profile (one Army and one Police), and many headspace go and no-go gauges. The three on the small pad are DDR (I had them from Mauro...) and are 100% original. The rest are Nazi P08 and P38 and one (left) is for bore wear. If original they would be fantastic. But I wouldn't swear on them...They could be mastepieces of fakery... Also interesting, under them, the nine toggle pins with increasing diameter, all numbered. Origin uncertain. They seem very old but they could be from 70s Mauser commercial production. In the center of the picture a muzzle protector and a sight adjuster from Sweden. Also worth of note, besides the magazines, a Swiss military tool to fix a dented magazine. Thanks for your attention. Any comment is obviously welcome!
Fausto

A.Mifsin · 11-15-2009, 06:04 AM

A very interesting collection you have, thank you for sharing.
Hope that you will post more pictures of the rest of your collection.

Alf.

mauro · 11-15-2009, 06:49 AM

Hi Fausto,
Nice set indeed.
As you know I like as well gauges. They are interesting add-on for all the Luger collectors.
Thank you for sharing.
Mauro

klaus 3338 · 11-15-2009, 08:25 AM

Hello Fausto,
nice Luger accessories!
The sight adjuster and the muzzle protector from Sweden were sold and probably made by Moritz Widforss. There are 6 tool in a line- the left 5 are Third Reich, the 6. seems to be Imperial or Weimar. Bob Simpson is selling an origin Erma muzzle protector- this one would be nice with your set! If you would show a close up photo of your muzzle protectors we could see if they are good.
By the way: It´s a Swiss Richtvorrichtung- a good tool to make a good Abzug (I don´t know the correct Engish word).
Regards Klaus

fausto · 11-15-2009, 10:07 AM

Thanks guys, thanks to you all! I will surely post more pictures, not only of accessories but also of the "real stuff". Not so many pieces, ma two or three are outstanding. Yes, Mauro, gauges and so are very exciting items... And I know that you have many gems in your drawers...
And yes, Klaus, the spelling of the W+F was uncorrect: thanks for fixing it. It is "Richtvorrichtung", indeed. And you are right again: the two Sweden tools are made and marked by Moritz Widforrs. Btw the three stripping tools on the right are from Finland: two marked SA and one marked SA 44. Thanks for your comments !!
Fausto

sheepherder · 11-15-2009, 10:10 AM

You all have fascinating collections of tools and gauges!!!

Back in '71, I assisted the Battalion Armorer and I can recall that we had very few tools/gauges for the 1911A1's/M16's we were armed with; there were more for the M60's/M2's but we were only 2nd Echelon Maintenance...3rd and 4th Echelon would have had all the really definitive tooling for maintenance, repair, and replacement...

Would any of you know what levels of maintenance the WW I/WW II German Army would have had???

(For example: USMC circa 1970 -

1st Echelon = User maintenance
2nd Echelon = Minor Repairs/"Parts Changers"/Battalion Level
3rd Echelon = Major Repairs/Division Level
4th Echelon = Rebuilds/Arsenal Level
5th Echelon = Reclamation/Parts Re-Issue/Arsenal Level)

11-15-2009, 03:19 AM	#1
fausto User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	More tools and gauges... Hello! Very new to the Forum, so, first of all, regards to you all. I collect military pistols and revolvers, with a special eye to Lugers. I love a lot any sort of related items, ancillaries, gauges, tools and so on. I would like to share with you some items in my collection. Nothing so special but two or three items are not so often encountered. The first drawer is dedicated to Swiss stuff. The two interesting pieces are, in the center, the "Richtvirrichtung WD30-130 der W+F fur den Abzugwinkelhebel"... that's to say, as you can see, a tool to bent the trigger lever and reach the proper trigger pressure. Just above (and left to it) the round "drum" is a gauge to check the proper height of the bullet cannelure. You can see a bullet inside the tool. The rest is normal stuff...Btw, all Parabellum 1906/29 parts are not stripped from guns, but are all original spare parts from W+F. Tha second drawer: worth of note are the gauges: two firing pin protrusion and profile (one Army and one Police), and many headspace go and no-go gauges. The three on the small pad are DDR (I had them from Mauro...) and are 100% original. The rest are Nazi P08 and P38 and one (left) is for bore wear. If original they would be fantastic. But I wouldn't swear on them...They could be mastepieces of fakery... Also interesting, under them, the nine toggle pins with increasing diameter, all numbered. Origin uncertain. They seem very old but they could be from 70s Mauser commercial production. In the center of the picture a muzzle protector and a sight adjuster from Sweden. Also worth of note, besides the magazines, a Swiss military tool to fix a dented magazine. Thanks for your attention. Any comment is obviously welcome! Fausto Attached Thumbnails

11-15-2009, 06:04 AM	#2
A.Mifsin User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Malta Posts: 570 Thanks: 74 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	A very interesting collection you have, thank you for sharing. Hope that you will post more pictures of the rest of your collection. Alf. __________________ I prefer a Luger

11-15-2009, 06:49 AM	#3
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Hi Fausto, Nice set indeed. As you know I like as well gauges. They are interesting add-on for all the Luger collectors. Thank you for sharing. Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

11-15-2009, 08:25 AM	#4
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 514 Thanks: 0 Thanked 397 Times in 157 Posts	Hello Fausto, nice Luger accessories! The sight adjuster and the muzzle protector from Sweden were sold and probably made by Moritz Widforss. There are 6 tool in a line- the left 5 are Third Reich, the 6. seems to be Imperial or Weimar. Bob Simpson is selling an origin Erma muzzle protector- this one would be nice with your set! If you would show a close up photo of your muzzle protectors we could see if they are good. By the way: It´s a Swiss Richtvorrichtung- a good tool to make a good Abzug (I don´t know the correct Engish word). Regards Klaus

11-15-2009, 10:07 AM	#5
fausto User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks guys, thanks to you all! I will surely post more pictures, not only of accessories but also of the "real stuff". Not so many pieces, ma two or three are outstanding. Yes, Mauro, gauges and so are very exciting items... And I know that you have many gems in your drawers... And yes, Klaus, the spelling of the W+F was uncorrect: thanks for fixing it. It is "Richtvorrichtung", indeed. And you are right again: the two Sweden tools are made and marked by Moritz Widforrs. Btw the three stripping tools on the right are from Finland: two marked SA and one marked SA 44. Thanks for your comments !! Fausto

11-15-2009, 10:10 AM	#6
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,440 Times in 2,328 Posts	You all have fascinating collections of tools and gauges!!! Back in '71, I assisted the Battalion Armorer and I can recall that we had very few tools/gauges for the 1911A1's/M16's we were armed with; there were more for the M60's/M2's but we were only 2nd Echelon Maintenance...3rd and 4th Echelon would have had all the really definitive tooling for maintenance, repair, and replacement... Would any of you know what levels of maintenance the WW I/WW II German Army would have had??? (For example: USMC circa 1970 - 1st Echelon = User maintenance 2nd Echelon = Minor Repairs/"Parts Changers"/Battalion Level 3rd Echelon = Major Repairs/Division Level 4th Echelon = Rebuilds/Arsenal Level 5th Echelon = Reclamation/Parts Re-Issue/Arsenal Level)