unit marking on a DWM1915

7.92x57 · 06-14-2003, 07:29 AM

Hello, I have a matching 1915 DWM with
R.M.G.83.267 (crossed) 197 (over the 267).
Can someone translate that unit marking for me? is it MachineGun Regiment???

Thanks in advance.

Herb · 06-14-2003, 03:31 PM

It means 83d Machine Gun Regiment, weapon number (was 267) now 197. If I understand what you mean by crossed, are the numbers x'd out?

7.92x57 · 06-15-2003, 04:59 PM

Hello, thanks for your answer, yes, the numbers are x'd out.
Is it interesting as marking, a Machinegun marking?

Herb · 06-15-2003, 07:05 PM

I don't want to classify them as 'rare' but neither are they common. A lot of Erfurts have them as well as others. The MG designation is fairly common among the unit marked ones as there were a lot of machinegunners at that time, and are usually found on the 1908 to 1914 unit marked Lugers. It has been estimated that about 15% of Lugers of that era were unit marked. Unit marked Lugers will command a higher price than one just like it that is unmarked. Following 1914 estimates are that only 1% of Lugers were unit marked thereby making yours more valuable than one of the previous years. (Estimates taken from Jeff Knoll's "The Imperial German Regimental Marking) revised edition.

7.92x57 · 06-16-2003, 06:51 AM

Ok, thank you very much for your your kind answer.

Jeff Noll · 07-29-2003, 05:04 AM

To 7.92x57 and Herb. Your translation is close. I would love to see a jpg of the marking to be sure of the last number but I am fairly confident that it translates to: Infantry Regiment 83, Machine Gun Company, Weapon 197 (previously Weapon 267). I would like to add your gun to my data base. Would you supply the serial number? http://home.earthlink.net/~nopubl

with regards, Jeff Noll

06-14-2003, 07:29 AM	#1
7.92x57 User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: France Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	unit marking on a DWM1915 Hello, I have a matching 1915 DWM with R.M.G.83.267 (crossed) 197 (over the 267). Can someone translate that unit marking for me? is it MachineGun Regiment??? Thanks in advance.

06-14-2003, 03:31 PM	#2
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	It means 83d Machine Gun Regiment, weapon number (was 267) now 197. If I understand what you mean by crossed, are the numbers x'd out? __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

06-15-2003, 07:05 PM	#4
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I don't want to classify them as 'rare' but neither are they common. A lot of Erfurts have them as well as others. The MG designation is fairly common among the unit marked ones as there were a lot of machinegunners at that time, and are usually found on the 1908 to 1914 unit marked Lugers. It has been estimated that about 15% of Lugers of that era were unit marked. Unit marked Lugers will command a higher price than one just like it that is unmarked. Following 1914 estimates are that only 1% of Lugers were unit marked thereby making yours more valuable than one of the previous years. (Estimates taken from Jeff Knoll's "The Imperial German Regimental Marking) revised edition. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

06-15-2003, 04:59 PM	#3
7.92x57 User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: France Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello, thanks for your answer, yes, the numbers are x'd out. Is it interesting as marking, a Machinegun marking?

06-16-2003, 06:51 AM	#5
7.92x57 User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: France Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ok, thank you very much for your your kind answer.

07-29-2003, 05:04 AM	#6
Jeff Noll User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ventura, California Posts: 45 Thanks: 0 Thanked 20 Times in 7 Posts	To 7.92x57 and Herb. Your translation is close. I would love to see a jpg of the marking to be sure of the last number but I am fairly confident that it translates to: Infantry Regiment 83, Machine Gun Company, Weapon 197 (previously Weapon 267). I would like to add your gun to my data base. Would you supply the serial number? http://home.earthlink.net/~nopubl with regards, Jeff Noll