hollow points in the luger

robbt · 08-21-2014, 12:30 AM

hi guys , I am thinking on loading some hollow points for my Mauser Luger any pointers on which HP will feed & function thru a Luger ??

ithacaartist · 08-21-2014, 10:04 AM

Often problematic, apparently. However check out Richard's post http://forum.lugerforum.com/showpost...5&postcount=36 which shows different OAL for each type of bullet. I believe the best chance of getting hollow points to function acceptably is to adjust the OAL of your load.

JD · 08-27-2014, 05:01 PM

I've had very good luck with the Remington 115 and 124 grain hollow points. The 115 grain hollow point especially has a very rounded profile much like a fmj. You will need to play around with the overall loaded length (OAL) for proper functioning. I would start with an OAL of around 1.130" and load progressively longer and see what functions best in your particular gun. Lugers seem to function best with ammo loaded towards the long side. Please be aware that loading to a short OAL can raise pressures substantially.

For factory loads, the Federal 115 grain standard pressure hollow point (9BP product code) functions and shoots extremely well in all of my lugers...

Edward Tinker · 08-27-2014, 05:33 PM

many of the more expensive ones now come with a tip on them or the hollow point is kinda drawn down smaller. personally, you have to shoot several brands and find what she likes

JTD · 08-28-2014, 11:01 AM

And most of the fancy hollow points factory loaded are hot, or +P, and not good for a luger, unless your goal is to damage it. John

Peter S · 08-28-2014, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JTD

And most of the fancy hollow points factory loaded are hot, or +P, and not good for a luger, unless your goal is to damage it. John

He is asking about bullets in order to do his own reloading so off the shelf ammo does not come into play.

rhuff · 08-28-2014, 04:16 PM

I did not have great success with the Hornady 93gr .309 JHP bullet. I tried it at different OALs and I have yet to find a combo that my shooter Lugers like. Of course, these are hollow point bullets designed for the 30 luger brass. I have no experience with loading HP bullets in 9mm brass for any of my 9mm lugers.

noylj · 09-02-2014, 05:55 PM

My four 9x19 "Lugers" feed everything I have given them, including JHPs and L-SWCs. As above, the secret isn't the gun as much as it is the COL and when the magazine releases the round to be chambered.
If I had to pick the "best" feeding JHPs, they would be the JRNHP vs the JCHP. See Zero's 121gn .38 Super JHP for what I mean.
My most troublesome 9x19 for feeding is a Browning Hi-Power I bought in 1972. It is very particular about COL so I learned very early to work up the COL and find the range that worked. Lugers have been no problem at all in comparison.

Johnny C. Kitchens · 09-12-2014, 11:49 PM

I've had great luck reloading Hornady XTP bullets. It is a trunicated cone design and feeds great. I probably shoot more of the 90 gr. versions than all others put together...

lew1 · 09-13-2014, 06:48 AM

Years ago, I tried some hollow points. Did not work well, so I never tried again.

Sonofeugene · 09-13-2014, 05:25 PM

I tried a few different types of HP's in my 1942 byf and had a few FtF's so I went back to feeding it a diet of FMJ and have had no problems since. I save the hollow points fo my Glock.

Sergio Natali · 09-14-2014, 02:55 AM

With all he respect, I don' really see the point of using "hollow point" bullets in a LUGER.
Personally I would use hollow point cartridges only in a personal defence pistol, while in a P08 LUGER perhaps would be more correct to use Wehrmacht sort of ammo.

My 2 cents.

rhuff · 09-14-2014, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

With all he respect, I don' really see the point of using "hollow point" bullets in a LUGER.
Personally I would use hollow point cartridges only in a personal defence pistol, while in a P08 LUGER perhaps would be more correct to use Wehrmacht sort of ammo.

My 2 cents.

Many of the folks that shoot Bullseye Competition swear that hollow point bullets are more accurate then RN and SWC bullets. I am speaking in general as to handguns used, and not to Lugers specifically. There was such a bullet shortage here in the USA recently, that reloaders purchased whatever they could find. I am happy to report that the bullet shortage is over.....for now, anyway.

Sergio Natali · 09-15-2014, 04:23 AM

Hi Richard

Thanks for the answer, browsing through several gun forums I sometime read about people grumbling because of "ammo shortage", I realize I'm going to ask a naive question but I wonder who/what caused this shortage.

rhuff · 09-15-2014, 04:37 PM

When there is a shift of political power(to the left) at the highest levels, it usually results in "panic buying" of items that are believed will be outlawed by said political powers. Be it handguns, AR 15s, ammo, handloading components, etc., they all are in high demand by the folks worried about not being able to purchase these articles. It boils down to supply and demand with the prices responding to the higher demands!!

noylj · 09-15-2014, 10:55 PM

With all due respect, I find that L-SWC and JHP bullets are the most accurate in my handguns and I see no reason to shoot anything else than what is accurate. My P-08s all handle JHPs and L-SWCs with ease, so why wouldn't I use them?

Sonofeugene · 09-16-2014, 01:54 AM

Since it's almost certain you will give up possession of a firearm that is actually used to stop a threat, it's best to not use valuable, sentimental or collector weapons for self defense. Even if you do get it back, it likely won't be in the same condition.

stressed · 09-18-2014, 12:56 PM

I've fired dozens of different JHP's, solid copper, etc out of my G date. All functioned flawlessly. Obviously when the gun is getting dirty it starts to have problems, but clean fires everything and anything.

I've found a round that duplicated the original 92gr Sintered Iron WWII Wehrmacht load. It's a solid copper expanding monoblock, 92gr by Fiocchi that will feed reliably in even a dirty luger due to it's profile. It's chrono'd 1271fps out of P08 and 1694fps out of MP40.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/249...lock-box-of-50

ithacaartist · 09-18-2014, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stressed

I've found a round that duplicated the original 92gr Sintered Iron WWII Wehrmacht load. It's a solid copper expanding monoblock, 92gr by Fiocchi that will feed reliably in even a dirty luger due to it's profile.]

I wonder, do these come in .30 Luger, too? The weight is close to what we need...

rhuff · 09-18-2014, 05:47 PM

If you could locate a solid copper monobloc 30 luger bullet, it would weight considerably less than a 93gr LRN or 93gr FMJ. By producing the bullet from solid copper and having no lead component to it, the weight would likely be ~78-80gr, perhaps less. It would be a screamer when loaded up hot!!!

08-21-2014, 12:30 AM	#1
robbt User Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	hollow points in the luger hi guys , I am thinking on loading some hollow points for my Mauser Luger any pointers on which HP will feed & function thru a Luger ??

08-21-2014, 10:04 AM	#2
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,282 Thanks: 7,007 Thanked 2,476 Times in 1,319 Posts	Often problematic, apparently. However check out Richard's post http://forum.lugerforum.com/showpost...5&postcount=36 which shows different OAL for each type of bullet. I believe the best chance of getting hollow points to function acceptably is to adjust the OAL of your load. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

08-27-2014, 05:01 PM	#3
JD User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Western Washington Posts: 107 Thanks: 58 Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts	I've had very good luck with the Remington 115 and 124 grain hollow points. The 115 grain hollow point especially has a very rounded profile much like a fmj. You will need to play around with the overall loaded length (OAL) for proper functioning. I would start with an OAL of around 1.130" and load progressively longer and see what functions best in your particular gun. Lugers seem to function best with ammo loaded towards the long side. Please be aware that loading to a short OAL can raise pressures substantially. For factory loads, the Federal 115 grain standard pressure hollow point (9BP product code) functions and shoots extremely well in all of my lugers... Last edited by JD; 09-17-2014 at 04:23 PM.

08-27-2014, 05:33 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	many of the more expensive ones now come with a tip on them or the hollow point is kinda drawn down smaller. personally, you have to shoot several brands and find what she likes __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-12-2014, 11:49 PM	#9
Johnny C. Kitchens User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Arlington, Texas Posts: 518 Thanks: 0 Thanked 20 Times in 8 Posts	Hornady XTP... I've had great luck reloading Hornady XTP bullets. It is a trunicated cone design and feeds great. I probably shoot more of the 90 gr. versions than all others put together... __________________ Johnny C. Kitchens

08-28-2014, 11:01 AM	#5
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 424 Thanks: 214 Thanked 407 Times in 148 Posts	And most of the fancy hollow points factory loaded are hot, or +P, and not good for a luger, unless your goal is to damage it. John

08-28-2014, 04:16 PM	#7
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,270 Thanks: 2,686 Thanked 958 Times in 704 Posts	I did not have great success with the Hornady 93gr .309 JHP bullet. I tried it at different OALs and I have yet to find a combo that my shooter Lugers like. Of course, these are hollow point bullets designed for the 30 luger brass. I have no experience with loading HP bullets in 9mm brass for any of my 9mm lugers.

09-02-2014, 05:55 PM	#8
noylj User Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 41 Thanks: 0 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	My four 9x19 "Lugers" feed everything I have given them, including JHPs and L-SWCs. As above, the secret isn't the gun as much as it is the COL and when the magazine releases the round to be chambered. If I had to pick the "best" feeding JHPs, they would be the JRNHP vs the JCHP. See Zero's 121gn .38 Super JHP for what I mean. My most troublesome 9x19 for feeding is a Browning Hi-Power I bought in 1972. It is very particular about COL so I learned very early to work up the COL and find the range that worked. Lugers have been no problem at all in comparison.

09-13-2014, 06:48 AM	#10
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	Years ago, I tried some hollow points. Did not work well, so I never tried again. __________________ charlie

09-13-2014, 05:25 PM	#11
Sonofeugene User Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 157 Thanks: 1 Thanked 118 Times in 64 Posts	I tried a few different types of HP's in my 1942 byf and had a few FtF's so I went back to feeding it a diet of FMJ and have had no problems since. I save the hollow points fo my Glock.

09-14-2014, 02:55 AM	#12
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	With all he respect, I don' really see the point of using "hollow point" bullets in a LUGER. Personally I would use hollow point cartridges only in a personal defence pistol, while in a P08 LUGER perhaps would be more correct to use Wehrmacht sort of ammo. My 2 cents. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

09-15-2014, 04:23 AM	#14
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Hi Richard Thanks for the answer, browsing through several gun forums I sometime read about people grumbling because of "ammo shortage", I realize I'm going to ask a naive question but I wonder who/what caused this shortage. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

09-15-2014, 04:37 PM	#15
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,270 Thanks: 2,686 Thanked 958 Times in 704 Posts	When there is a shift of political power(to the left) at the highest levels, it usually results in "panic buying" of items that are believed will be outlawed by said political powers. Be it handguns, AR 15s, ammo, handloading components, etc., they all are in high demand by the folks worried about not being able to purchase these articles. It boils down to supply and demand with the prices responding to the higher demands!!

09-15-2014, 10:55 PM	#16
noylj User Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 41 Thanks: 0 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	With all due respect, I find that L-SWC and JHP bullets are the most accurate in my handguns and I see no reason to shoot anything else than what is accurate. My P-08s all handle JHPs and L-SWCs with ease, so why wouldn't I use them?

09-16-2014, 01:54 AM	#17
Sonofeugene User Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 157 Thanks: 1 Thanked 118 Times in 64 Posts	Since it's almost certain you will give up possession of a firearm that is actually used to stop a threat, it's best to not use valuable, sentimental or collector weapons for self defense. Even if you do get it back, it likely won't be in the same condition.

09-18-2014, 12:56 PM	#18
stressed User Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 197 Thanks: 41 Thanked 43 Times in 30 Posts	I've fired dozens of different JHP's, solid copper, etc out of my G date. All functioned flawlessly. Obviously when the gun is getting dirty it starts to have problems, but clean fires everything and anything. I've found a round that duplicated the original 92gr Sintered Iron WWII Wehrmacht load. It's a solid copper expanding monoblock, 92gr by Fiocchi that will feed reliably in even a dirty luger due to it's profile. It's chrono'd 1271fps out of P08 and 1694fps out of MP40. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/249...lock-box-of-50 __________________ Looking for any Mauser S/42 #89 parts

09-18-2014, 05:47 PM	#20
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,270 Thanks: 2,686 Thanked 958 Times in 704 Posts	If you could locate a solid copper monobloc 30 luger bullet, it would weight considerably less than a 93gr LRN or 93gr FMJ. By producing the bullet from solid copper and having no lead component to it, the weight would likely be ~78-80gr, perhaps less. It would be a screamer when loaded up hot!!!