1915 DWM with 6. Div. 41. marking

Ari1915 · 06-30-2016, 06:48 AM

Hello members, thanks for being here. I'm new to the Luger collection area and looking for some info about my 1915 DWM. My frame is numbered 8223a and on the grip is written 6. Div. 41.
Any ideas about the meaning of 6. Div. 41.? Possible to get an info about the age of the frame by this numbers? Thanks for your help.
Sven

roadkill1 · 06-30-2016, 08:21 AM

Believe unit marking of 6. Div. 41." is 6th Division (staff), waffen #41.

Interesting marking "X'ed" out of "6th Dragoon (staff), waffen #41. Suspect because it was the same waffen number to both unit marks, the "X'ed" marking was an error and then corrected to the 6th Division.

As far as your question, "Possible to get an info about the age of the frame by this numbers?", frame #8223a, suggests that your Luger was produced in early 1915. More specifically, although you do not indicate whether your Luger is manufactured by Erfurt or DWM, Still reports that there are no known authentic examples of 1915 Erfurts so I assume yours is a DWM? And, also because Still reports that DWM manufactured 105,000 Lugers marked with the 1915 Chamber Date, is my basis for indicating an early 1915 date. Don't believe you can narrow when your Luger was produced any closer than this.

DonVoigt · 06-30-2016, 09:11 AM

You don't mention that the frame and receiver numbers match or not.

If they do not match, it is not possible to tell which year it was made, as most all years went past the "a" suffix.

I would suggest that your grip marking dates to early Reichsheer(Weimar) era, with 6.D.41 being a provisional marking and the 6.Div.41 being the final form authorized for the 6th Division staff.

Maybe Keoki will add his assessment.

Ari1915 · 06-30-2016, 10:59 AM

Thanks for your reply. My Luger is a mismatching DWM 1915 Artillery. The upper is matching # 3776 and the frame is # 8223a (also matching). Seems somebody added both together in the past to get a good shooter...

06-30-2016, 06:48 AM	#1
Ari1915 User Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Germany Posts: 10 Thanks: 9 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	1915 DWM with 6. Div. 41. marking Hello members, thanks for being here. I'm new to the Luger collection area and looking for some info about my 1915 DWM. My frame is numbered 8223a and on the grip is written 6. Div. 41. Any ideas about the meaning of 6. Div. 41.? Possible to get an info about the age of the frame by this numbers? Thanks for your help. Sven Attached Thumbnails

06-30-2016, 09:11 AM	#3
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,677 Thanks: 1,439 Thanked 4,347 Times in 2,038 Posts	You don't mention that the frame and receiver numbers match or not. If they do not match, it is not possible to tell which year it was made, as most all years went past the "a" suffix. I would suggest that your grip marking dates to early Reichsheer(Weimar) era, with 6.D.41 being a provisional marking and the 6.Div.41 being the final form authorized for the 6th Division staff. Maybe Keoki will add his assessment. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

06-30-2016, 08:21 AM	#2
roadkill1 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Virginia Posts: 127 Thanks: 166 Thanked 129 Times in 63 Posts	Believe unit marking of 6. Div. 41." is 6th Division (staff), waffen #41. Interesting marking "X'ed" out of "6th Dragoon (staff), waffen #41. Suspect because it was the same waffen number to both unit marks, the "X'ed" marking was an error and then corrected to the 6th Division. As far as your question, "Possible to get an info about the age of the frame by this numbers?", frame #8223a, suggests that your Luger was produced in early 1915. More specifically, although you do not indicate whether your Luger is manufactured by Erfurt or DWM, Still reports that there are no known authentic examples of 1915 Erfurts so I assume yours is a DWM? And, also because Still reports that DWM manufactured 105,000 Lugers marked with the 1915 Chamber Date, is my basis for indicating an early 1915 date. Don't believe you can narrow when your Luger was produced any closer than this.

06-30-2016, 10:59 AM	#4
Ari1915 User Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Germany Posts: 10 Thanks: 9 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Thanks for your reply. My Luger is a mismatching DWM 1915 Artillery. The upper is matching # 3776 and the frame is # 8223a (also matching). Seems somebody added both together in the past to get a good shooter...