Tim Babcock UPDATE!!! - Page 2

Brickie · 08-17-2007, 08:44 PM

A dealer named Scott Babcock had tables at the last SOS. The address was Traders of the Lost Surplus, N Palm Spgs,CA. There was an older man who walked with a cane with what appeared to be his son and sons wife. I never had any dealings with T Babcock but was curious to check these tables out. Perhaps the older man was Tim Babock. With so much to see at the show I moved on pretty fast.

Pete Ebbink · 08-17-2007, 09:55 PM

http://www.totls.com/

The home page says checks must be made out to "Scott Babbock" only...

davidkachel · 08-18-2007, 12:43 AM

When a company wants checks made out to a person who is not coincidentally the name of the company, something fishy is going on. They may just be trying to dodge the IRS (there's a wise choice!<not>) or setting themselves up to be able to say: "We are XYZ company. We never heard of Fred Flintstone and are not responsible for checks he received and cashed."
Whenever a client gives me a check made out to me, I give it back and ask them to rewrite it to the company name. Then there is no chance of even an appearance of impropriety.

ratdog · 08-18-2007, 07:17 AM

I don't think that company is associated with Tim Babcock, looks like all they deal in is repro junk, Tim deals in orig junk!!!!! It might be related to him in the sense that the guy who runs the business seems to have an attitude towards making a living doing the career he chose. Read some of his rans about taking pics for people and deadbeat buyers, pretty entertaining. A lot of that attitude came across in some emails from Tim Babcock, SO MAYBE THEY ARE RELATED!!!!!!! Either way, maybe avoid both, definitely Tim!!!!..............................B

Pete Ebbink · 08-18-2007, 08:48 PM

Curious they want $ 25 just to let you see photos of the stuff they want to sell to you...

lew1 · 08-18-2007, 09:49 PM

It eliminates the tire kickers.

davidkachel · 08-20-2007, 10:43 AM

lew1,
I don't buy that for a second. When someone wants money just to show you what they have for sale, that person is either crooked or the worst businessman on the planet. Period.

ratdog · 08-20-2007, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by lew1
It eliminates the tire kickers.

Tire kickers for repro crap!!!!!! BS................................B

danzig · 08-20-2007, 03:10 PM

I was reading on the site you sugested and in the complaints was someone who said they were dealing with a scott babcock and they screwed him on something called a german cross. So that name comes up with the others.

ratdog · 08-21-2007, 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by danzig
I was reading on the site you sugested and in the complaints was someone who said they were dealing with a scott babcock and they screwed him on something called a german cross. So that name comes up with the others.

Interesting Danzig, there may be more to this than is on the surface!!!!

Mauser720 · 08-21-2007, 08:34 AM

If I may, I want to share my understanding and experiences with Delivery Confirmation. It is true that Deliver Confirmation service provided by the U.S. Postal Service better than simply using standard first class mail. But all it really means is that the postal service is telling you that they did deliver the item. For example, suppose you want to send me a large sum of money and you use Delivery Confirmation. You envelope is dropped in the mail box on the front of my house or in my rural mail box. The mail carrier simply scans the bar code and this "documents" that it was delivered. But now suppose I tell you that I don't care what the post office says, I never got the envelope? Suppose I tell you that someone must have gotten into my mail box. Then what can you do about it? Not much. I have known of cases in which Delivery Confirmation was used to ship something valuable, and yet nothing could be done when the recipient still claimed he never received it. It was simply a case in which the Post Office said "Yes we did" and the recipient said "No you didn't." We may have forum members who are postal service employees and they can explain this better than I can. However, it is my understanding that this "Delivery Confirmation" only means that the mail carrier is stating in effect "this is the date I delivered this item."

I still recommend that whenever you are sending money or something that is valuable through the mail that you send it by CERTIFIED MAIL WITH A RETURN RECEIPT REQUESTED. This costs more, but it is well worth the extra expense because this way they are going to actually sign a receipt and date it. And this signed receipt will be returned to you and it will stand up in any court in the land. This makes it impossible for people like Mr. Babcock and others like him to claim they never received whatever was sent to them. You now have their signature, and the date they signed for it too.

Also, tell the recipient right up front that you are going to send him the money or holster, or whatever, by certified mail with a return reciept requested. Ask him if that is a problem; i.e., will he be able to sign for it? If he says "No" for whatever reason, then I would not do business with him. If he says "Yes, that's fine" then you have put him on notice that you are going to keep him honest.

It costs only $4.80 for this service, and it is well worth it if you are dealing with a lot of money.

Just my "two cents" worth.

Ron

ratdog · 08-21-2007, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mauser720
If I may, I want to share my understanding and experiences with Delivery Confirmation. It is true that Deliver Confirmation service provided by the U.S. Postal Service better than simply using standard first class mail. But all it really means is that the postal service is telling you that they did deliver the item. For example, suppose you want to send me a large sum of money and you use Delivery Confirmation. You envelope is dropped in the mail box on the front of my house or in my rural mail box. The mail carrier simply scans the bar code and this "documents" that it was delivered. But now suppose I tell you that I don't care what the post office says, I never got the envelope? Suppose I tell you that someone must have gotten into my mail box. Then what can you do about it? Not much. I have known of cases in which Delivery Confirmation was used to ship something valuable, and yet nothing could be done when the recipient still claimed he never received it. It was simply a case in which the Post Office said "Yes we did" and the recipient said "No you didn't." We may have forum members who are postal service employees and they can explain this better than I can. However, it is my understanding that this "Delivery Confirmation" only means that the mail carrier is stating in effect "this is the date I delivered this item."

I still recommend that whenever you are sending money or something that is valuable through the mail that you send it by CERTIFIED MAIL WITH A RETURN RECEIPT REQUESTED. This costs more, but it is well worth the extra expense because this way they are going to actually sign a receipt and date it. And this signed receipt will be returned to you and it will stand up in any court in the land. This makes it impossible for people like Mr. Babcock and others like him to claim they never received whatever was sent to them. You now have their signature, and the date they signed for it too.

Also, tell the recipient right up front that you are going to send him the money or holster, or whatever, by certified mail with a return reciept requested. Ask him if that is a problem; i.e., will he be able to sign for it? If he says "No" for whatever reason, then I would not do business with him. If he says "Yes, that's fine" then you have put him on notice that you are going to keep him honest.

It costs only $4.80 for this service, and it is well worth it if you are dealing with a lot of money.

Just my "two cents" worth.

Ron

Well Ron, what people don't understand is, that through many emails with this a-hole, I realized he screwed me, so sending back the holster for a refund was not happening in my mind. I already lost 250 on the holster, and an add'l 350 deposit for a Luger that I no longer trusted his opinion on after receiving the POS holster (misrepresented in pics and description). He was adament about keeping my deposit and was going to refund only 200 of the holster. I sent the holster back with the inkling that I never would see a penny back. So the loss was mine on all accounts, whether I had it signed for or not. The other thing is I did this deal without my wife knowing, so it would be tough to go after him with legal issues without her finding out. So I lost all around and will never send money again to anybody, this was the deal that soured all that!!!! .......................B

Mauser720 · 08-21-2007, 10:03 AM

Ratdog -

Well, it only takes one bad apple to spoil the barrel, and there is no doubt that this guy is one of the worst. Some of the people who responded to your posting mentioned the value of using Delivery Confirmation, and I just wanted to share my experiences with it versus using Certified Mail with a Receipt Requested. I am really sorry this happened to you, and just wish there was some way that people like this could get what they deserve.

Speaking of your wife not know, I know a fellow who wanted a new shotgun real bad, but he was afraid to tell his wife. So he bought it in secret, and stuck it in with the rest of his guns so that his wife would not know about it. About 3 weeks later he hurt his back real bad, and had to be hospitalized. His wife visited him in the hospital and said to him "Honey, you know that shotgun you've been wanting? Why don't you just go ahead and buy it?" So he told her "Oh, honey, you are such a good wife! Thank you so much!" And of course he got out of the hospital in a few days, and to this day his wife still thinks he got it after she gave him permission to buy it!

But anyway, there was another forum member whose posting was "Ripped Off In Miami" and I posted some suggestions to that fellow's dilema. The problem in dealing with the crooks is that it just takes so darned much work to get your money back that most people eventually give up. The crooks are counting on honest people to get tired of it and eventually giving up. The last time I was ripped off, it was for a little over $1,300 and it took me 6 months and untold hours of work to get my money back.

But anyway, I am sincerely sorry this happened to you and glad that you shared your experince with the rest of us so that we can learn from your unfortunate experience.

Ron

08-18-2007, 12:43 AM	#23
davidkachel User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 784 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	When a company wants checks made out to a person who is not coincidentally the name of the company, something fishy is going on. They may just be trying to dodge the IRS (there's a wise choice!<not>) or setting themselves up to be able to say: "We are XYZ company. We never heard of Fred Flintstone and are not responsible for checks he received and cashed." Whenever a client gives me a check made out to me, I give it back and ask them to rewrite it to the company name. Then there is no chance of even an appearance of impropriety. __________________ A heroin habit would be cheaper.

08-18-2007, 09:49 PM	#26
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	It eliminates the tire kickers. __________________ charlie

08-20-2007, 10:43 AM	#27
davidkachel User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 784 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	lew1, I don't buy that for a second. When someone wants money just to show you what they have for sale, that person is either crooked or the worst businessman on the planet. Period. __________________ A heroin habit would be cheaper.

08-20-2007, 03:10 PM	#29
danzig Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: kansas Posts: 111 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	scott babcock I was reading on the site you sugested and in the complaints was someone who said they were dealing with a scott babcock and they screwed him on something called a german cross. So that name comes up with the others.

08-21-2007, 08:34 AM	#31
Mauser720 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 535 Thanks: 18 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	If I may, I want to share my understanding and experiences with Delivery Confirmation. It is true that Deliver Confirmation service provided by the U.S. Postal Service better than simply using standard first class mail. But all it really means is that the postal service is telling you that they did deliver the item. For example, suppose you want to send me a large sum of money and you use Delivery Confirmation. You envelope is dropped in the mail box on the front of my house or in my rural mail box. The mail carrier simply scans the bar code and this "documents" that it was delivered. But now suppose I tell you that I don't care what the post office says, I never got the envelope? Suppose I tell you that someone must have gotten into my mail box. Then what can you do about it? Not much. I have known of cases in which Delivery Confirmation was used to ship something valuable, and yet nothing could be done when the recipient still claimed he never received it. It was simply a case in which the Post Office said "Yes we did" and the recipient said "No you didn't." We may have forum members who are postal service employees and they can explain this better than I can. However, it is my understanding that this "Delivery Confirmation" only means that the mail carrier is stating in effect "this is the date I delivered this item." I still recommend that whenever you are sending money or something that is valuable through the mail that you send it by CERTIFIED MAIL WITH A RETURN RECEIPT REQUESTED. This costs more, but it is well worth the extra expense because this way they are going to actually sign a receipt and date it. And this signed receipt will be returned to you and it will stand up in any court in the land. This makes it impossible for people like Mr. Babcock and others like him to claim they never received whatever was sent to them. You now have their signature, and the date they signed for it too. Also, tell the recipient right up front that you are going to send him the money or holster, or whatever, by certified mail with a return reciept requested. Ask him if that is a problem; i.e., will he be able to sign for it? If he says "No" for whatever reason, then I would not do business with him. If he says "Yes, that's fine" then you have put him on notice that you are going to keep him honest. It costs only $4.80 for this service, and it is well worth it if you are dealing with a lot of money. Just my "two cents" worth. Ron __________________ Mauser720 - Ron "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it."

08-17-2007, 08:44 PM	#21
Brickie User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: PA, USA Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	A dealer named Scott Babcock had tables at the last SOS. The address was Traders of the Lost Surplus, N Palm Spgs,CA. There was an older man who walked with a cane with what appeared to be his son and sons wife. I never had any dealings with T Babcock but was curious to check these tables out. Perhaps the older man was Tim Babock. With so much to see at the show I moved on pretty fast.

08-17-2007, 09:55 PM	#22
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	http://www.totls.com/ The home page says checks must be made out to "Scott Babbock" only...

08-18-2007, 07:17 AM	#24
ratdog User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 147 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I don't think that company is associated with Tim Babcock, looks like all they deal in is repro junk, Tim deals in orig junk!!!!! It might be related to him in the sense that the guy who runs the business seems to have an attitude towards making a living doing the career he chose. Read some of his rans about taking pics for people and deadbeat buyers, pretty entertaining. A lot of that attitude came across in some emails from Tim Babcock, SO MAYBE THEY ARE RELATED!!!!!!! Either way, maybe avoid both, definitely Tim!!!!..............................B

08-18-2007, 08:48 PM	#25
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Curious they want $ 25 just to let you see photos of the stuff they want to sell to you...

08-21-2007, 10:03 AM	#33
Mauser720 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 535 Thanks: 18 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	Ratdog - Well, it only takes one bad apple to spoil the barrel, and there is no doubt that this guy is one of the worst. Some of the people who responded to your posting mentioned the value of using Delivery Confirmation, and I just wanted to share my experiences with it versus using Certified Mail with a Receipt Requested. I am really sorry this happened to you, and just wish there was some way that people like this could get what they deserve. Speaking of your wife not know, I know a fellow who wanted a new shotgun real bad, but he was afraid to tell his wife. So he bought it in secret, and stuck it in with the rest of his guns so that his wife would not know about it. About 3 weeks later he hurt his back real bad, and had to be hospitalized. His wife visited him in the hospital and said to him "Honey, you know that shotgun you've been wanting? Why don't you just go ahead and buy it?" So he told her "Oh, honey, you are such a good wife! Thank you so much!" And of course he got out of the hospital in a few days, and to this day his wife still thinks he got it after she gave him permission to buy it! But anyway, there was another forum member whose posting was "Ripped Off In Miami" and I posted some suggestions to that fellow's dilema. The problem in dealing with the crooks is that it just takes so darned much work to get your money back that most people eventually give up. The crooks are counting on honest people to get tired of it and eventually giving up. The last time I was ripped off, it was for a little over $1,300 and it took me 6 months and untold hours of work to get my money back. But anyway, I am sincerely sorry this happened to you and glad that you shared your experince with the rest of us so that we can learn from your unfortunate experience. Ron __________________ Mauser720 - Ron "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it."