WTK: 41 Holster Value - Page 2

c3006 · 11-24-2006, 07:30 AM

My 91 year old grandmother still says "Whats done in the dark allways sees the light"

ratdog · 11-24-2006, 08:47 AM

Here was his latest reply:
"I do not read the forums, If I wanted to rip you off I would not have
sent you an expensive holster that was an original, I would have purchased a 39$ reproduction complete with 41 stamps on the back, but I sent you an original holster. I am coming to the end of my patients with you, either finish the deal I.E. send the holster back and take the gun, or take the gun and sell the holster on eBay, or forfeit your deposit. When I block your incoming emails, I will no longer be hearing from you. I can see why you had so much trouble with your contractor, you bitch instead of working through things, I have received many items that were not what my mind had built them up to be, Human nature, I did not stamp my feet and bitch, I put them up for sale on eBay and usually made money, I just got a magazine fxo luger that was expensive off of eBay, they did not tell me that it had rust and pitting on it. but they did not lie about it either, I saw a good price and bought it.
my mind built it up to be a perfect mags. at half the price, I then
took it put it up on eBay. and sold it for twice of what I paid. Try a life
change and work out things instead of throwing a fit. Just my two cents and you probably will laugh it off. but it works for me."

Is there any legal ramification for revealing his name?

lugerholsterrepair · 11-24-2006, 10:14 AM

Bruce, This guy tim is sounding a lot like the guy who ripped me off for 400 clams...I wounder how he got back on the Forum as he was banned.
Please let me know the name you have for him, privately by Email if you like but I would have no problems at all revealing his name here.
You seem worried about legal ramifications but he dosen't.
Another thing, I would love to know his eBay moniker if you know it. Gunbroker too...Thanks

Jerry Burney

Dok · 11-24-2006, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by lugerholsterrepair
I wounder how he got back on the Forum as he was banned.
Jerry Burney

Hence my earlier comment to Ed... It's not enough to just ban a UserName, he can just sign up with another name... there has to be a link to his IP Address. I think that can be done with this BB Software. If Ed doesn't know how, I'm sure John D. does. He knows EVERYTHING

Dok

lugerholsterrepair · 11-24-2006, 11:14 AM

Yup...Same guy, Tim Babcock out of Wolverine WI. He's the same guy who stole 400 bucks from me.
His name is Tim Babcock from Wolverine MI. I have no idea if he has accounts at ebay or the gun auction sites. He did mention in the last mail to me,
"I will offer you this deal, You wait just like I waited for you, till I resell the gun, I will refresh it on a couple of sales sites, and when it sells I will work a refund when you send the holster back. But you will have to wait just like I waited for you.

So if you watch the sites, it is a 41 byf #1732. Feel free to post this, as I am scared that he will take some sort of action, sorry.

If this is not fair how do you think I felt." (Tim Babcock talking) I am surprised he cares..He apparently does not care that he stole money from me.
This guy is a lowlife of the first order and apparently has many aliases and the ability to worm his way onto Forums and steal with impunity.

I would love to have any information anyone may have on this scum. Jerry Burney

By the way, FEAR IS A DISABLER, the weak will not inherit the Earth.

ratdog · 11-24-2006, 11:27 AM

Here is the latest and where the gun and holster will show up next:

"here's the deal Bruce, I will put the luger and holster up for sale as a rig, I should be able to sell it and pay you a refund of 400$ and you send the holster back, you can keep the holster until I sell the gun if you like. I will contact you as soon as I have a sale. I will not over price the rug, and you can check guns America, the add will be for 1495, and when I am done I will eat the 10$ difference, to come out to our deal it should go for 1505 to come out. I am in no way guaranteeing that it will sell in any time frame. With the holster at that price it should move ok, but like I said before we are in a xmas mode and people do not buy like they normally do. I am moving to Kansas for the winter and will take the luger with me if it does not sell and we can finish the deal from there. but I would hope to have the deal done before as I have to pay my credit card for the difference on the luger I purchased and the one I was selling. "

By the way, all quotes I have been putting in these posts are copied and pasted from all correspondence so far. Thanks...................Bruce

Edward Tinker · 11-24-2006, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dok
Ed,

I hope that in the process of banning you also blocked his IP address. We wouldn't want him back under another name. Guys like that make it hard for the good guys and smears the name of the Luger Forum.

Dok

Dok, I don't believe I (we) have that exact capability, so I figure the moderators can keep track of who posts what and keep them in line.

I am pretty sure we can only ban the entire IP range, not a specific, so, if he was an AOL member, well, I would ban a bunch of innocent folks.

On gunboards this is a problem, because there are 10's of thousands of members, so someone gets banned, they use their work email or IP and get back on. The only way is to monitor the boards on a frequent basis, you know, like I do

and if you see a familar name, you ban them. The old cavet emptor (sp) has to be in play, we just try to minimize what happens. The P38 forum has a good for sale policy, which I have adopted. replacing mine which was fine, but this one went into more detauil.

Ed

Dok · 11-24-2006, 01:57 PM

You're right Ed,

Banning the whole domain can be problematic. Well good luck...

Dok

lugerholsterrepair · 11-24-2006, 02:42 PM

Ed, You might recall not too long ago I posted quite an expose on this slime ball but you kicked it off cause I was taking over some newbies thread. It was a warning that didn't get out...Jerry Burney

Edward Tinker · 11-24-2006, 03:11 PM

Jerry, I suggested at the time, that you start your own thread. Taking over another thread is confusing to members who see one title and then see a rant (justified or not), so I suggested starting your own thread.

As long as a member has facts and is not assuming anything it is appropriate to post.

For legalities, see the latest mailing from NAPCA, Rock Island is hitting them VERY hard for something a member wrote and was published in their newsletter. A newsletter is very much akin to a forum such as this. Non-truths or assumptions can bite us in the ass later, so be sure of the facts when they are written.

lugerholsterrepair · 11-24-2006, 03:56 PM

Ed, Not bustin yer chops..I love ya! It's just that this guy is beginning to tick me off.
Tim Babcock of Wolverine WI is a thief and a scoundrel...I would dearly love him to come after me as I have doumentation he is exactly what I say he is.
kilroy2@intergate.com is his Email if anyone needs to talk with him. He uses only a PO box for a mailing address and keeps his personal information hidden. I was surprised to see him surface here but he showed his true colors.
Jerry Burney

Edward Tinker · 11-24-2006, 04:22 PM

Jerry I was saddened to see that you got taken also, and I have found a dagger in my personal collection of "daggers" that you can have;
Just send $85 in shipping and restocking fees

ratdog · 11-24-2006, 05:07 PM

Well guys, It didn't take him long to put it up for sale, with the same description on the holster as he did to me!!!!!! I will post pics next week of the holster problem areas, it is at work and I won't be able to get it till Mon.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976804853.htm

tracyp · 11-24-2006, 05:11 PM

He's the link to the 41 byf Luger he's trying sell.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976804853.htm

Tracy

lugerholsterrepair · 11-24-2006, 08:29 PM

Tim Babcock of Wolverine MI just Emailed me and was angry that I somehow forgot to mention that he initially took $400.00 from me and after 6 months of pestering Emails he indicated he had sold the dagger I had sent back but did not have the money to pay me. I agreed to a payment program, he would pay me $50.00 a month untill it was paid. He paid me $50.00 for 4 months and then stopped. 200 bucks. The last was in June. I have never seen another penny nor have I heard from him untill today.
So...I must apologize and tell you all, the guy did make an effort and I got half my money back so far.

Sorry, Michigan for sure...
Jerry Burney

Dok · 11-24-2006, 08:38 PM

So is it Wisconsin or Michigan Jerry???? I see you've used both here.???

Dok

ratdog · 11-25-2006, 05:30 AM

Dok, it is MI, Jerry must have hit the wrong key in his first post...........................Bruce

ratdog · 11-27-2006, 07:04 AM

I just filed a complaint with the MI Attorney Generals office online. I feel what Tim Babcock is doing is Internet fraud, anyone else affected by him (Jerry) here is the complaint address:
https://www.ag.state.mi.us/forms/w3htc_c01_new.asp

ratdog · 11-27-2006, 03:44 PM

Well, here is the POS holster Tim Babcock is trying to pass off AGAIN, this time on GunsAmerica as a "nice original" holster. Remember, no mention of the problems, I guess for 250$ they come along for free!!!!!!!

Pete Ebbink · 11-27-2006, 04:01 PM

Hi Bruce,

Not to debate whether you and Jerry had bad dealings with the seller or not...

But in the G-A series of photos, his photos certainly show what is wrong with the holster. Sometimes a good photo can ''speak" for itself and additional words may not be necessary (???).

I think $ 250 for a holster with the condition-problems shown in the photos is not a realistic price, however.

11-24-2006, 07:30 AM	#21
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	My 91 year old grandmother still says "Whats done in the dark allways sees the light" __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

11-24-2006, 10:14 AM	#23
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Bruce, This guy tim is sounding a lot like the guy who ripped me off for 400 clams...I wounder how he got back on the Forum as he was banned. Please let me know the name you have for him, privately by Email if you like but I would have no problems at all revealing his name here. You seem worried about legal ramifications but he dosen't. Another thing, I would love to know his eBay moniker if you know it. Gunbroker too...Thanks Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

11-24-2006, 11:14 AM	#25
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Yup...Same guy, Tim Babcock out of Wolverine WI. He's the same guy who stole 400 bucks from me. His name is Tim Babcock from Wolverine MI. I have no idea if he has accounts at ebay or the gun auction sites. He did mention in the last mail to me, "I will offer you this deal, You wait just like I waited for you, till I resell the gun, I will refresh it on a couple of sales sites, and when it sells I will work a refund when you send the holster back. But you will have to wait just like I waited for you. So if you watch the sites, it is a 41 byf #1732. Feel free to post this, as I am scared that he will take some sort of action, sorry. If this is not fair how do you think I felt." (Tim Babcock talking) I am surprised he cares..He apparently does not care that he stole money from me. This guy is a lowlife of the first order and apparently has many aliases and the ability to worm his way onto Forums and steal with impunity. I would love to have any information anyone may have on this scum. Jerry Burney By the way, FEAR IS A DISABLER, the weak will not inherit the Earth. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

11-24-2006, 01:57 PM	#28
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	You're right Ed, Banning the whole domain can be problematic. Well good luck... Dok __________________ You can never be too rich; too thin; or too well armed! http://www.centercustomcases.com/

11-24-2006, 02:42 PM	#29
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Ed, You might recall not too long ago I posted quite an expose on this slime ball but you kicked it off cause I was taking over some newbies thread. It was a warning that didn't get out...Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

11-24-2006, 08:47 AM	#22
ratdog User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 147 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Here was his latest reply: "I do not read the forums, If I wanted to rip you off I would not have sent you an expensive holster that was an original, I would have purchased a 39$ reproduction complete with 41 stamps on the back, but I sent you an original holster. I am coming to the end of my patients with you, either finish the deal I.E. send the holster back and take the gun, or take the gun and sell the holster on eBay, or forfeit your deposit. When I block your incoming emails, I will no longer be hearing from you. I can see why you had so much trouble with your contractor, you bitch instead of working through things, I have received many items that were not what my mind had built them up to be, Human nature, I did not stamp my feet and bitch, I put them up for sale on eBay and usually made money, I just got a magazine fxo luger that was expensive off of eBay, they did not tell me that it had rust and pitting on it. but they did not lie about it either, I saw a good price and bought it. my mind built it up to be a perfect mags. at half the price, I then took it put it up on eBay. and sold it for twice of what I paid. Try a life change and work out things instead of throwing a fit. Just my two cents and you probably will laugh it off. but it works for me." Is there any legal ramification for revealing his name?

11-24-2006, 11:27 AM	#26
ratdog User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 147 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Here is the latest and where the gun and holster will show up next: "here's the deal Bruce, I will put the luger and holster up for sale as a rig, I should be able to sell it and pay you a refund of 400$ and you send the holster back, you can keep the holster until I sell the gun if you like. I will contact you as soon as I have a sale. I will not over price the rug, and you can check guns America, the add will be for 1495, and when I am done I will eat the 10$ difference, to come out to our deal it should go for 1505 to come out. I am in no way guaranteeing that it will sell in any time frame. With the holster at that price it should move ok, but like I said before we are in a xmas mode and people do not buy like they normally do. I am moving to Kansas for the winter and will take the luger with me if it does not sell and we can finish the deal from there. but I would hope to have the deal done before as I have to pay my credit card for the difference on the luger I purchased and the one I was selling. " By the way, all quotes I have been putting in these posts are copied and pasted from all correspondence so far. Thanks...................Bruce

11-24-2006, 03:11 PM	#30
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Jerry, I suggested at the time, that you start your own thread. Taking over another thread is confusing to members who see one title and then see a rant (justified or not), so I suggested starting your own thread. As long as a member has facts and is not assuming anything it is appropriate to post. For legalities, see the latest mailing from NAPCA, Rock Island is hitting them VERY hard for something a member wrote and was published in their newsletter. A newsletter is very much akin to a forum such as this. Non-truths or assumptions can bite us in the ass later, so be sure of the facts when they are written.

11-24-2006, 03:56 PM	#31
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Ed, Not bustin yer chops..I love ya! It's just that this guy is beginning to tick me off. Tim Babcock of Wolverine WI is a thief and a scoundrel...I would dearly love him to come after me as I have doumentation he is exactly what I say he is. kilroy2@intergate.com is his Email if anyone needs to talk with him. He uses only a PO box for a mailing address and keeps his personal information hidden. I was surprised to see him surface here but he showed his true colors. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

11-24-2006, 04:22 PM	#32
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Jerry I was saddened to see that you got taken also, and I have found a dagger in my personal collection of "daggers" that you can have; Just send $85 in shipping and restocking fees

11-24-2006, 05:07 PM	#33
ratdog User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 147 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Well guys, It didn't take him long to put it up for sale, with the same description on the holster as he did to me!!!!!! I will post pics next week of the holster problem areas, it is at work and I won't be able to get it till Mon. http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976804853.htm

11-24-2006, 05:11 PM	#34
tracyp User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Peoples Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 391 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	He's the link to the 41 byf Luger he's trying sell. http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976804853.htm Tracy

11-24-2006, 08:29 PM	#35
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Tim Babcock of Wolverine MI just Emailed me and was angry that I somehow forgot to mention that he initially took $400.00 from me and after 6 months of pestering Emails he indicated he had sold the dagger I had sent back but did not have the money to pay me. I agreed to a payment program, he would pay me $50.00 a month untill it was paid. He paid me $50.00 for 4 months and then stopped. 200 bucks. The last was in June. I have never seen another penny nor have I heard from him untill today. So...I must apologize and tell you all, the guy did make an effort and I got half my money back so far. Sorry, Michigan for sure... Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

11-24-2006, 08:38 PM	#36
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	So is it Wisconsin or Michigan Jerry???? I see you've used both here.??? Dok __________________ You can never be too rich; too thin; or too well armed! http://www.centercustomcases.com/

11-25-2006, 05:30 AM	#37
ratdog User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 147 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dok, it is MI, Jerry must have hit the wrong key in his first post...........................Bruce

11-27-2006, 07:04 AM	#38
ratdog User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 147 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I just filed a complaint with the MI Attorney Generals office online. I feel what Tim Babcock is doing is Internet fraud, anyone else affected by him (Jerry) here is the complaint address: https://www.ag.state.mi.us/forms/w3htc_c01_new.asp

11-27-2006, 03:44 PM	#39
ratdog User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 147 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Well, here is the POS holster Tim Babcock is trying to pass off AGAIN, this time on GunsAmerica as a "nice original" holster. Remember, no mention of the problems, I guess for 250$ they come along for free!!!!!!!

11-27-2006, 04:01 PM	#40
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Bruce, Not to debate whether you and Jerry had bad dealings with the seller or not... But in the G-A series of photos, his photos certainly show what is wrong with the holster. Sometimes a good photo can ''speak" for itself and additional words may not be necessary (???). I think $ 250 for a holster with the condition-problems shown in the photos is not a realistic price, however.