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Unread 06-15-2014, 11:44 AM   #1
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An old friend of my father brought this luger by the house. He believed it was Kreighoff and asked me if I could tell. As you can tell from the pics, there are only proof marks on this gun and I have never seen engraving like this on a gun.
History - the gun had gold leaf on the engraving, but the previous owner had it removed.

Question 1- is this a Kreighoff luger?

Question 2 - can you tell anything from the engraving?

Question 3 - can you put a value on a gun like this?

I know it is difficult to judge a gun from pictures. Any information would be appreciated.

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Unread 06-15-2014, 12:14 PM   #2
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what acceptance marks are on the right?

many parts have Erfurt stamps on them, not krieghoff - to collectors without any special provenance, this is just a engraved luger worth around a $1000 to someone who wants an engraved luger, maybe $2000-$3000

I lean towards the less as the engraving is ok, but I think not high quality but I am no expert

more info would help - does the serial number match the wood base number? if yes, then its very, very likely originally an erfurt
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As the gentlemen have stated, it's an Erfurt. For comparison, here are some photos of an engraved Krieghoff.
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nice work on the erfurt. engraver had talent! seems to be a matching gun. not sure if that is wise when you want to do an engrave project,
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Nice Germanic-style engraving, but probably not done in Germany and at a later date. The engraving is well executed but far from master engraver level. Ed Tinker's valuation is probably as close as you will get (but more in the $1000 to $2000 range).
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Dave, welcome to the forum. That is a very attractive Erfurt Luger. And all matching including the magazine. Sweet...

Now George's engraved Krieghoff... That is something else entirely!

I am not much for engraved guns, but that Krieghoff is a masterwork.

Thank you for posting it, George...

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The engraving is very reminiscent of Mexican engraving cut to look like the Germanic style.
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Doug (alanint)... Mexican is the first thing that popped into my mind when I first saw the engraving...
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As the gentlemen have stated, it's an Erfurt. For comparison, here are some photos of an engraved Krieghoff.
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What is the significance of the "9. IX. 41" date on the Krieghoff you pictured?
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Doug, the pistol was bought from Doug Smith by Tom Armstrong. It is one of a cased set that belonged to Gauleiter Bohle who was in control of the foreign office in National Socialist Germany. I have not been able to come up with any significance to the date 9 November 1941 either in the calendar of National Socialist Germany or a brief biography of Bohle.
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Thanks, George! A fascinating thing to further research!
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Just wanted to thank everyone for the information on the luger.
Just having the proof marks, threw me a little.
George thanks for posting the Krieghoff pics.
Beautiful gun.
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