1945 Hk # 13069... - Page 2

lugerlou · 12-14-2005, 12:23 AM

Tom A

Food for thought

In respect to the latter part of your topic it is possible that the memoirs of one Albert Speer may shed some light, whilst trying to fiend off the manical orders of Adolph Hitlers scorched earth policy the man was still very much in control of armaments production and had or I believe possesed the will to supply the German forces with every ounce of armaments he could muster into use.

If anyone would know it should be documented and held in archives in the USA military files while he was in debriefing after the war.

MauserLugers · 12-14-2005, 02:58 PM

I've written before that I've heard the same story that Jan Still commented on in this thread. I know of two collectors that sold their 1945 dated examples because they did not feel they were correct, and one person actually told me he visited the machine shop and saw the frames and parts. How much of this story is actually fact and how much is speculation is anyone's guess at this point, but the guy who told me is a highly respected collectors and a straight shooter, so I have no problem in believing that the majority of the 1945 dated K's are fabricated from this one shop. --- My understanding is he was making these for a long time before he became sick and that is when it was discovered what he'd been turning out. --- Bill

Dwight Gruber · 12-14-2005, 05:23 PM

Any chance of naming names here, and knowing what else this person might have been fabricating?

--Dwight

Navy · 12-14-2005, 06:02 PM

I have heard the same or a similar story...the guy was a retired Air Force or Airline pilot, IIRC who just had this thing about making fantasy pieces...gets sick, ultimately dies and then all kinds of weird Lugers in various degrees of assembly are found in his shop. May be truth; may be urban luger legend.

Tom A

John D. · 12-14-2005, 10:49 PM

I don't believe the story is urban legend. Leaving names out - the person in question passed away and his widow asked two fellow Luger collectors to come by and assist with valueing his collection. When they went into his workshop - found were several frames in the making and certain reproduction dies/stamps. Based on the numbers of the dies, there can only be certain serial number combinations which could have been "made" by this individual. As for the other dies found - they were not an exact match to the HK proofs/stamps...

Or so I believe....

HTH,

John D.

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12-14-2005, 12:23 AM	#21
lugerlou User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Tom A Food for thought In respect to the latter part of your topic it is possible that the memoirs of one Albert Speer may shed some light, whilst trying to fiend off the manical orders of Adolph Hitlers scorched earth policy the man was still very much in control of armaments production and had or I believe possesed the will to supply the German forces with every ounce of armaments he could muster into use. If anyone would know it should be documented and held in archives in the USA military files while he was in debriefing after the war.

12-14-2005, 02:58 PM	#22
MauserLugers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Philipsburg, Montana 59858 Posts: 250 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 1 Post	I've written before that I've heard the same story that Jan Still commented on in this thread. I know of two collectors that sold their 1945 dated examples because they did not feel they were correct, and one person actually told me he visited the machine shop and saw the frames and parts. How much of this story is actually fact and how much is speculation is anyone's guess at this point, but the guy who told me is a highly respected collectors and a straight shooter, so I have no problem in believing that the majority of the 1945 dated K's are fabricated from this one shop. --- My understanding is he was making these for a long time before he became sick and that is when it was discovered what he'd been turning out. --- Bill

12-14-2005, 05:23 PM	#23
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,877 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,244 Times in 413 Posts	Any chance of naming names here, and knowing what else this person might have been fabricating? --Dwight

12-14-2005, 06:02 PM	#24
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	I have heard the same or a similar story...the guy was a retired Air Force or Airline pilot, IIRC who just had this thing about making fantasy pieces...gets sick, ultimately dies and then all kinds of weird Lugers in various degrees of assembly are found in his shop. May be truth; may be urban luger legend. Tom A

12-14-2005, 10:49 PM	#25
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,649 Thanks: 466 Thanked 513 Times in 127 Posts	I don't believe the story is urban legend. Leaving names out - the person in question passed away and his widow asked two fellow Luger collectors to come by and assist with valueing his collection. When they went into his workshop - found were several frames in the making and certain reproduction dies/stamps. Based on the numbers of the dies, there can only be certain serial number combinations which could have been "made" by this individual. As for the other dies found - they were not an exact match to the HK proofs/stamps... Or so I believe.... HTH, John D.