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Unread 08-23-2005, 10:25 PM   #1
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Default Nice HK Refinish Study...

Folks at Simpsons have a nice refinished HK for sale...nice piece to study...

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...oducts_id=2780
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Unread 08-24-2005, 01:17 AM   #2
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Bargain basement price for an HK these days, Pete!
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Unread 08-24-2005, 04:29 AM   #3
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At least he is honest enough to tell everyone that it has been restored. Some restorers are very good at their craft. We have a wide range of Luger lovers here. So, for some, this might not be a bad deal. There has been a lot of Krieghoffs restored. Finding one that hasn't been restored and knowing what to look for on a Krieghoff (especially the 'P' codes) can be a difficult. Its almost anything goes on the commercial HK's.
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It is not a frequent occurrance that nice Krieghoffs are offered to the general public. Typically they are sold and traded among collectors who know one another personally and know the provenance of the guns well before any sale takes place.

I am ALWAYS leery when I see a Krieghoff FS in a public venue.

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No mention of matching numbers in description.

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Unread 08-25-2005, 05:29 AM   #6
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I really have mixed emotions on restored Lugers. Sometimes, I believe that restorations are penalized too heavily. I also have to agree with Tom. When any Luger has been restored maybe it would be best to want to see the gun in person or buy from a person with a reliable return policy. With HK's , it would probably be best to REALLY study the books so that you would know what to expect on a restoration. There seems to be a lot of variations on them. Not many people have the wisdom of a JohnD who has the ability to detect a genuine HK thats merely been prettied up from a counterfeit.
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Personally, I have never bought a gun from Simpson. But I have talked to him many times and he seems to be a real nice guy. He also has a fine reputation. So, if this gun turned out to be a real bummer, I think that he would take back the returned gun with no problem. But make sure that you are prepared when you call him to ask questions.
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Unlike Norm,I have purchased many, many guns from Bob Simpson..in fact I just sent him a check in the low five figures. He is honest, forthright and a real pleasure to deal with. Note, I did not say he was a bargain. But his stuff has always been good and any misunderstandings were always remedied on the spot. Highly recommended.

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Gents, I'll tell you straight up, bro. I would gladly trade up from my unmolested 37 S/42 to that restored Kreig, and not just because it is a Kreig. That thing is beautiful. Exactly what turns my crank...a minty looking strawed type pistol from the prewar era.

I certainly don't care that it is redone, assuming done properly, but that would look like a million bucks in my right hand down at the range. That is a work of art.

Love it, love it, love it. Wish I had waited for the "right" gun. That one would be it (too bad it's on hold). It's like a Level 5 engraved Black Diamond Trap in my hands showing the "Citori boys" how it was done back in the day!!!
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I was prepared to buy it but noticed that it's already on hold....

Rats, foiled again....

Besides, I've already decided that my next Luger will be something with a grip safety. But that Kreig might have changed that plan... Very nice...
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Being in the parts business, I have an opporturnity to sell to most of the well respected restorer. One of them here in the midwest who specializes in HKs, claims that he has refinished over 10% of the known serials shown in Gibson's book, so know what you are looking at. Th
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I don't think there is anything wrong with restoring a luger that in this condition. I see it as reconditioning or preserving a piece of history.

If a Luger is in bad condition, do to indifferent neglect, and can be restored. I believe it should be. Nothing is gained by leaving it alone. And I do believe that something is definitely lost in doing so.

On the other hand, if the pistol is in good condition (80%+) and just shows honest use and has been cared for. I feel that light wear or patina is part of that history. And should be left as is. And should'nt be restored or refinished. Just because the owner wants a pretty gun.

This is a 1914 DWM that I bought a year ago. It has been neglected over the years. And needed to be preserved.

It has been in the hands of Ted Green for awhile. Can't wait to see it.















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Folks,

The simple reality is that the boosters and restoration techniques have both gotten so good of late that unless one does an *extremely* detailed inspection it is almost impossible to spot the restored and/or boosted guns.

I think we are going to witness an instantiation of Gresham's Law such that all of the authentic ORIGINAL minty pieces will disappear into collections and the only thing available on the open market will be the "improved" pieces and the salty old war dogs.

The guns in private collections, especially the rarer breeds will continue to be bought, sold and traded, but it will be done privately between collectors who know one another's collection and are familiar with the provenance of the pieces contained therein.

The net result will be that the younger, less affluent fledgling collectors will have one hell of a time getting established in the hobby.

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Tom,

I agree. The days of finding an origianl "un-improved" Luger are beginning to wain.

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Unread 08-26-2005, 08:06 PM   #14
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Hi,

I agree with Tom A.'s post as well... It would appear that many of the new Kriegs in "mint shape" are coming out of the woodwork as of late. Those that come out of older collections are right on...

As well - I've never bought from Simpsons - but I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to do so... I just have to match my "check book" to their prices !!

As for Tom H.'s statement that one restorer "claims he has refinished over 10% of the known serials shown in Gibson's book.." - that is total BS. I have no idea who is more wrong - Tom Heller for posting it as "fact" - or the "restorer" who claimed it to be true. Whatever...

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