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Unread 05-29-2001, 04:11 PM   #1
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Hi,

I thought the extruded magazines came out in 1940, not 1941 as was the correct answer on the quiz? The 1940 code 42's have the 122 magazines, so was this some kind of trick question? You'll have to explain it to me ...... thanks.



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Unread 05-29-2001, 04:23 PM   #2
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Default Patrick will have to provide the bibliography source, here is the...

orginal question that he sent me along with the answer:


When did production of genuine extruded magazines start?

(June 1941)


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Unread 05-30-2001, 03:45 AM   #3
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Default Re: #13 on the Quiz (Long Answer)

The first Haenel-Schmeisser (HS) type magazines still had the old, round mag spring and were chrome plated. They were first introduced some time during the 1930s and were issued to the police and sold commercially but were not issued to the military. HS patented the new, flat, zig-zag spring for his P 08 magazine on the 15th Feb. 1938. This new type HS magazine was first issued to the German Armed Forces in 1939 (22nd Feb. to the Wehrmacht, 15th May to the Luftwaffe & 25th July to the Navy). These magazines were NOT â??extrudedâ? as Haenal did not have the facilities (this fact has been corroborated by a former employee, Herr Victor Leick). If you take a careful look at the â??122â? code stamped HS mags, you will notice that the blueing on the rear is discoloured, where the fluid has reacted to the weld.


HS was issued with a new code (fxo) instead of â??122â? in June 1941. At the same time, magazine production was transferred to two sub-contractors (Reinhold Manteuffel and August Menz). Their magazine are genuinely extruded, do not have a weld line down the back and are stamped â??fxoâ?.





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My apologies to Joachim G?¶rtz. I forgot to mention that the previous text is an almost literal translation from his book "Die Pistole 08" (2nd. Edition).Since German re-unification, G?¶rtz has taken a lot of trouble to collect all the available material on Luger magazines from the original sources in former East Germany."Die Pistole 082 is now not only the most extensive collection of original material on the subject, but now also contains all the current information that has surfaced since 1989. Patrick



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Too bad we cant get an English version, much of the information is lost on us YANKS



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Default Patrick! Why don't you collaborate with Joachim G?¶rtz

on an English version. Since most of the exported lugers have ended up here in the US, There is bound to be a market for the book... and you could pick up a few coins in the process...


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