HOLY SMOKES...!!! (and I'm looking for parts)

John D. · 02-08-2001, 10:59 AM

In about 8 days - there are over 500 messages posted on this Board??!!! THIS IS TERRIFIC..!!! DOK - the site is going great and bursting at the seams under your care - my hats are off to you.... As well, all this activity is terrific - can't tell you how much I enjoy reading the tremendous volume of messages/knowledge posted to this Board.. It is a real asset to our "collective interests" (pun intended ...

I also posted the following ad in the Parts Wanted section of the Classifieds - but I'll post here as well - in hopes that either note catches someone's attention

Looking for the following - The "wire bail" that retains the Takedown lever (I have NO IDEA what this part is really called)...

A good WWI era wood base mag..

A GOOD set of either black plastic ("BW") grips or original Walnut Grips (not the repros where the top/front Left grip panel is rounded)..

A toggle pin stamped "15"...

Thanks to all..!!!

Ted · 02-08-2001, 11:01 AM

Believe it is called either a take down spring or locking bolt spring, check with Tom Heller, I bet he has them! He has had everything else I have asked for so far! Ted

Ted · 02-08-2001, 11:04 AM

I have heard people like Hugh can make them out of spring steel? Ted

John D. · 02-08-2001, 11:16 AM

Do either of you two have that "do-hicky" that that Ted referred to as "take down spring or locking bolt spring"?? If so - please e-mail me or post back to this message...

Thanks Much!!! (oh - and thanks Ted Heh, heh, heh....

Ted · 02-08-2001, 11:40 AM

The parts listing under tech info, calls it a locking bolt spring not DER DOHICKY

Hugh · 02-08-2001, 11:40 AM

If Tom doesn't have them try:

Numerich @$3.50 + post

SARCO @ 4.95 + post

Popperts @ 7.50 + post

John D. · 02-08-2001, 11:49 AM

to Tom as well for a "DER DOHICKY THING-A-MA-BOB".. (That part name ought to drive Ted crazy, HUH???

Dok · 02-08-2001, 12:48 PM

our web site took 4625 hits!!! That's in excess of 230 hits a day. Not bad....

John D. · 02-08-2001, 12:59 PM

4603 of those 4625 hits are from Ted hitting "Refresh" on his browser..???!!!

Ted · 02-08-2001, 01:02 PM

you got me! Darn you guys are smart! I CAINT get by wit nuting

John D. · 02-08-2001, 01:03 PM

John D. · 02-08-2001, 01:11 PM

Yea - I should start a new thread on this - but, well - I'm putting it here in this one...

Below - you mentioned "fire" blueing - I presume you are talking about heating parts to a certain temp and for a certain time?? I've never tried it - and I have a sideplate on a 42 BYF mis-match that the PO tried some "creative blue" fill-in with a BLACK PERMANENT magic marker (no, I'm really not kidding!).. It left it mottled on the high side.. Have either of you tried it on a pice as large as side-plate? If so, any trade secrets you'd like to share?

Ted · 02-08-2001, 01:14 PM

Check out the grip screws on DA BABY! Nice pretty fire blue the way DWM used to do! HUGH IS GGGGOOOOOOOOOODDDDDD!!

Hugh · 02-08-2001, 01:50 PM

A sideplate would be no problem!

John D. · 02-08-2001, 02:10 PM

a side-plate would be "no problem" for who - you or me??!! All I have so far if that Ted likes your grip screws and you can do a whole reciever..

Any secrets to share - like "if it's a Dutch Luger sideplate - you have to use a Dutch Oven at 4XX degrees - bake slowly until tender..." Or any non-trade secret "hints" just to fan the flames our curiosity??.. OK - I'm begging here

Hugh · 02-08-2001, 02:47 PM

OK, for you amateurs: Fire blue is attained somewhere around 550-575 degs, depending on the amount of carbon in the steel. Place the part in your oven and start out at 500, let it soak for 15-30 mins and check the color, then keep increasing the temp by 5 deg until you reach the desired color, waiting 15 mins between each increase in temp.

John D. · 02-08-2001, 03:20 PM

Ted · 02-08-2001, 03:56 PM

Fire bluing parts like a barrel? What does that do to the strength and is it a good idea on parts that are under intense pressure?

Hugh · 02-08-2001, 07:55 PM

Ted,I didn't say a bbl, just a reciever. Besides, that is not hot enough to effect the temper of the steel.

John Sabato · 02-09-2001, 09:58 AM

the grip frame when you say 'receiver' ? If you mean the grip frame, wouldn't that hot a treatment affect the hardness of the steel. My concern is for the shoulders on the grip frame that unlock the toggle. On the barrel extension or 'upper receiver' if you will, I think I would be most concerned about the strength around the toggle pin.

Comments?

-John

02-08-2001, 10:59 AM	#1
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 471 Thanked 513 Times in 127 Posts	HOLY SMOKES...!!! (and I'm looking for parts) In about 8 days - there are over 500 messages posted on this Board??!!! THIS IS TERRIFIC..!!! DOK - the site is going great and bursting at the seams under your care - my hats are off to you.... As well, all this activity is terrific - can't tell you how much I enjoy reading the tremendous volume of messages/knowledge posted to this Board.. It is a real asset to our "collective interests" (pun intended ... I also posted the following ad in the Parts Wanted section of the Classifieds - but I'll post here as well - in hopes that either note catches someone's attention Looking for the following - The "wire bail" that retains the Takedown lever (I have NO IDEA what this part is really called)... A good WWI era wood base mag.. A GOOD set of either black plastic ("BW") grips or original Walnut Grips (not the repros where the top/front Left grip panel is rounded).. A toggle pin stamped "15"... Thanks to all..!!!

02-08-2001, 11:01 AM	#2
Ted User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: SC Posts: 726 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: HOLY SMOKES...!!! (and I'm looking for parts) Believe it is called either a take down spring or locking bolt spring, check with Tom Heller, I bet he has them! He has had everything else I have asked for so far! Ted

02-08-2001, 11:04 AM	#3
Ted User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: SC Posts: 726 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: HOLY SMOKES...!!! (and I'm looking for parts) I have heard people like Hugh can make them out of spring steel? Ted

02-08-2001, 11:16 AM	#4
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 471 Thanked 513 Times in 127 Posts	Thanks Ted..!! Hey - Tom and or Hugh??? Do either of you two have that "do-hicky" that that Ted referred to as "take down spring or locking bolt spring"?? If so - please e-mail me or post back to this message... Thanks Much!!! (oh - and thanks Ted Heh, heh, heh....

02-08-2001, 11:40 AM	#5
Ted User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: SC Posts: 726 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Thanks Ted..!! Hey - Tom and or Hugh??? The parts listing under tech info, calls it a locking bolt spring not DER DOHICKY

02-08-2001, 11:40 AM	#6
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	Locking Bolt Spring If Tom doesn't have them try: Numerich @$3.50 + post SARCO @ 4.95 + post Popperts @ 7.50 + post

02-08-2001, 11:49 AM	#7
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 471 Thanked 513 Times in 127 Posts	Thanks Hugh..!! I just popped off a note.... to Tom as well for a "DER DOHICKY THING-A-MA-BOB".. (That part name ought to drive Ted crazy, HUH???

02-08-2001, 12:48 PM	#8
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	well... in 20 days... our web site took 4625 hits!!! That's in excess of 230 hits a day. Not bad....

02-08-2001, 12:59 PM	#9
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 471 Thanked 513 Times in 127 Posts	Yea - but.... 4603 of those 4625 hits are from Ted hitting "Refresh" on his browser..???!!!

02-08-2001, 01:02 PM	#10
Ted User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: SC Posts: 726 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Yea - but.... you got me! Darn you guys are smart! I CAINT get by wit nuting

02-08-2001, 01:03 PM	#11
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 471 Thanked 513 Times in 127 Posts	See what I mean????.. LOL!!!! (EOM)

02-08-2001, 01:11 PM	#12
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 471 Thanked 513 Times in 127 Posts	A Serious question for Ted/Hugh... Yea - I should start a new thread on this - but, well - I'm putting it here in this one... Below - you mentioned "fire" blueing - I presume you are talking about heating parts to a certain temp and for a certain time?? I've never tried it - and I have a sideplate on a 42 BYF mis-match that the PO tried some "creative blue" fill-in with a BLACK PERMANENT magic marker (no, I'm really not kidding!).. It left it mottled on the high side.. Have either of you tried it on a pice as large as side-plate? If so, any trade secrets you'd like to share?

02-08-2001, 01:14 PM	#13
Ted User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: SC Posts: 726 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: A Serious question for Ted/Hugh... Check out the grip screws on DA BABY! Nice pretty fire blue the way DWM used to do! HUGH IS GGGGOOOOOOOOOODDDDDD!!

02-08-2001, 01:50 PM	#14
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	I fire blued a reciever A sideplate would be no problem!

02-08-2001, 02:10 PM	#15
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 471 Thanked 513 Times in 127 Posts	Thanks Hugh - ummm (more).... a side-plate would be "no problem" for who - you or me??!! All I have so far if that Ted likes your grip screws and you can do a whole reciever.. Any secrets to share - like "if it's a Dutch Luger sideplate - you have to use a Dutch Oven at 4XX degrees - bake slowly until tender..." Or any non-trade secret "hints" just to fan the flames our curiosity??.. OK - I'm begging here

02-08-2001, 02:47 PM	#16
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	Re: Thanks Hugh - ummm (more).... OK, for you amateurs: Fire blue is attained somewhere around 550-575 degs, depending on the amount of carbon in the steel. Place the part in your oven and start out at 500, let it soak for 15-30 mins and check the color, then keep increasing the temp by 5 deg until you reach the desired color, waiting 15 mins between each increase in temp.

02-08-2001, 03:20 PM	#17
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 471 Thanked 513 Times in 127 Posts	Hugh - thanks a million...!!!! (EOM)

02-08-2001, 03:56 PM	#18
Ted User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: SC Posts: 726 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: I fire blued a reciever Fire bluing parts like a barrel? What does that do to the strength and is it a good idea on parts that are under intense pressure?

02-08-2001, 07:55 PM	#19
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	Re: I fire blued a reciever Ted,I didn't say a bbl, just a reciever. Besides, that is not hot enough to effect the temper of the steel.

02-09-2001, 09:58 AM	#20
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Hugh, do you mean the barrel extension or... the grip frame when you say 'receiver' ? If you mean the grip frame, wouldn't that hot a treatment affect the hardness of the steel. My concern is for the shoulders on the grip frame that unlock the toggle. On the barrel extension or 'upper receiver' if you will, I think I would be most concerned about the strength around the toggle pin. Comments? -John