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Unread 12-12-2018, 12:28 PM   #1
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Newbie here looking for an explanation of these marks found on the upper edge of a stock. Thanks !
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Unread 12-12-2018, 08:04 PM   #2
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Rob, The stock isn't an original WW1 imperial German Luger stock so the markings are really so much gibberish. Do you have a photo of the whole stock?
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There is also a ".32" stamped in the pistol at the rear. Is that anything to do with the ".32" in the wood ?
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An initial thought would be .32 caliber, but as an Erfurt it’s all but certain to be a 9mm military gun, correct?
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There is also a ".32" stamped in the pistol at the rear. Is that anything to do with the ".32" in the wood ? Rob, No, sort of..someone with a set of stamps went crazy on this rig. The .32 on your pistol is a defacement. I am sure it had something to do with Mr. happy stampy but it's all bogus. The stock, leathers, markings, everything to do with this except your pistol, is bad and your pistol has a bad .32 on it. All meaningless. Unless you can find Mr. happy stampy and waterboard it out of him.


You will NEVER see a number on an Artillery unless it's a a unit mark, with a period in front of it.



The stock has brass washers used on vintage kitchen splash board and the stock iron has huge screw heads.
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Jerry,
You are most likely 100% correct, you usually are, but I am a bit inclined to give this one the benefit of the doubt and give it a second look. Even though the stock is very dark walnut, the slots for the shoulder strap appear like they might be chamfered on both sides like a repro (I'm not sure they are), and the stock iron screws most likely are replacements, there is a bit of logic to the markings. The markings are non-standard but they do fit the format described by Görtz and Bryans for 4th Artillery Regiment, 5th Battery, weapon #32, and the weapon inventory number 32 is matched on the gun in the same style. The 1920 property mark and strange other undecipherable mark where the crown/fraktur letter would be are a puzzle, but I am not quite ready to throw the baby out with the bath water.
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P.S. I haven't heard of "Smokey Stover" in years...Rob must be nearly as old as I am!
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Ron, I LOVE an optimist! AND a good course and discourse! There is an explanation for the "fit the format described by Görtz and Bryans" either happenstance, serendipity or Mr Happy Stampy copied it from a known unit mark? If you take a close look at the stock, the stock well is all kinds of misshapen/too deep and on the other side the slots are not correct. Beveled around the edges. The acceptance mark if that's what we can call it..certainly not imperial! OK, 1920, another case of Mr. Happy Stamps and some familiarity with the subject Luger. NOW we have a bunch of fake cow peelings attached and it all comes together as blasphemy for those of us who worship at the George Luger alter. Some hunch, some fiction and some fact..but put me down as a non believer.
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Jerry,
While you were posting I was editing my post. I am not sure the stock slots are incorrect. To my eye, the forward side (toward the front of the stock) are worn but are not beveled like repros (agree that the well looks lousy). Need some more detailed photos, likewise for fake cow peelings...need to see better shots of the stock iron cup, etc. Not sure I am a believer either, but I need more convincing.
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still more photos,( by now I think it may be obvious that I dont make a living in photography !)
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the cleaning rod stamped "32" also
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Would it behoove anyone to ask SS to (carefully) remove the screws from the stock attachment iron and closely photo them?
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The 32 on the fake cleaning rod is the final nail. Jerry's verdict is correct. Also the unit marking on the stock follows Imperial regulation while the 32 on the rear frame, were it genuine, would be a pre 1922 Reichswehr provisional marking. Me thinks the "artist" was un-stuck in time.
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I'm with Jerry and George,
there is nothing right about the stock- aged and incorrectly stamped "boosted" reproduction.
The latch has a flat end, which is also a reproduction tell.

The "32" on the back of the luger should at least have the battery number also.

Shame what was done to the luger; and I can't see enough of the holster to have an idea.
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Good morning gents! Thank you Rob for the additional photo's. It is as feared, a fanciful tale told in wood & leather. George & Don make some good points..The latch has a flat end, which is also a reproduction tell, I meant to mention myself yesterday but it was late and I forgot but as Don says..always a reproduction tell. Also the carry strap..the holes should have a teardrop shape and the cup dear Yorick, is empty. I was waiting to see the underside of the toe strap but it;s not needed now. The cleaning rod is a mighty long nail but nail it is!

It's more likely than not to find some of these same spurious markings on the holster? Rob, if you have time or inclination after this beating..we might as well look at the rest of it?
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OK, time to throw in the towel. Thanks guys.
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Nobody mentioned one of the most common 'tells' of an original artillery...The correct lineup of the two attaching iron screwdriver slots...

How many repros have the slots aligned??? My fantasy artilleries all have repro attaching iron and none have aligned slots and it would be difficult to align them...
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