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Unread 08-20-2016, 08:16 PM   #21
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Looks re blued.. Some parts appear to be rework re-numbered. Might make a good shooter but that's what it is and how it's priced.
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Alright so talk to me about this...

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...ducts_id=49159
Not original. Refinished. Barrel and frame numbers appear to me to be pantographed( again not the way originally done".

IMO, they should have described it as a Artillery type shooter.

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Naturally I'd like matching parts on an original gun, with or without matching mag, and 90+% finish with sound mechanicals. I intend to shoot this gun but treat it like it'll never be shot.

Tim, well this is not it.
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to help study many:
http://www.simpsonltd.com/index.php?cPath=179_238
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Ben,
I'd buy the 1915 or 1916 if I wanted an Artillery; leaning toward the 1915.

Fewer numbers were produced, prices not bad; I did not look hard at either but the descriptions sound ok.
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If you call Simpson's up, one of the sales people will take the pistol out of the vault and answer any questions you may have. My sales guy was pleasant and helpful, and most importantly, honest. I bought by CC right then and emailed my LGS FFL and had the Luger in something like 4 days.
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I think the term 'rework' is overused.

As you hear folks call things a rework and mean by a depot or armory prior to WW2.

Anything reworked post WW2 or suspected should be labeled and sold as such IMHO
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I hadn't visited the Simpson offerings for a while, so I took a look. This "Mauser Stoeger Artillery" prompted a question: Why is there no notch for the front sight leaf present on the front of the receiver? For almost $16k, I'd like to know! http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...ducts_id=47107
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Nice catch David... I don't think that is correct either.
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I hadn't visited the Simpson offerings for a while, so I took a look. This "Mauser Stoeger Artillery" prompted a question: Why is there no notch for the front sight leaf present on the front of the receiver? For almost $16k, I'd like to know! http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...ducts_id=47107
Even though I'm not into artillery Lugers myself, I have this to offer:

The artillery Luger is a WW-I thing. So, mistrust anything that is:

A) made by someone else other than DWM or Erfurt arsenal.

B) "double dated". According to Versailles treaty, Germany could no longer produce, or possess handguns with barrels longer than 10cm. The 1920 mark is a Weimar possession stamp, hou do your own math.
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Here's a thread on Mr. Still's forum from 2005. Unfortunately the photos evaporated. It was a perfect two line Stoeger American Eagle artillery rig with "SAFE"' "LOADED". markings. As I recall, the receiver was properly notched. http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...-Artillery-Rig
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Even though I'm not into artillery Lugers myself, I have this to offer:

The artillery Luger is a WW-I thing. So, mistrust anything that is:

A) made by someone else other than DWM or Erfurt arsenal.

B) "double dated". According to Versailles treaty, Germany could no longer produce, or possess handguns with barrels longer than 10cm. The 1920 mark is a Weimar possession stamp, hou do your own math.
Kurusu,

Double date Artillery lugers are or can be entirely acceptable.

The Landjaegeri used them with 8" barrels up to about 1929.
The Navy used them and also marked them during the Weimar era, they were under British control and didn't seem to care about small arms.

So don't condemn them all!
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B) "double dated". According to Versailles treaty, Germany could no longer produce, or possess handguns with barrels longer than 10cm. The 1920 mark is a Weimar possession stamp, hou do your own math.

The Versailles Treaty and its subsequent restrictions made no prohibitions on military pistol barrel lengths. The only restrictions were tied to military calibre and foreign sales. Germany was permitted to produce enough 9 mm P08s to supply the new one hundred thousand man army and the expanded police force.There is no mention of barrel lengths in any of the protocols.
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The blue did look suspicious. Was really interested to see everyone's response. Didn't disappoint

John and John - I'm having a tough time seeing this notch, or lack there off.
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Unread 08-22-2016, 10:55 PM   #35
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Hi Tim.
The so called notch is a relief cut in the top front edge of the receiver to provide clearance for the rear sight when in it's lowest position. Many unused Artillery barrels were left over when the war ended and some "Commercial Artilleries" were assembled using these. Even more were produced by Mauser using these surplus barrels for their Siamese and Persian contracts in the 1930's, and a few were even assembled in 1946 when the Mauser factory was under French control. I don't know which, if any, of these Artilleries produced after 1918 had the "notch".
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That's an awesome explanation Norm. definitely didn't see it first time around. So LP08's without the notch are likely parts guns assembled from P08 frames? Thanks for sharing!
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