1900 AE?

Thor · 02-06-2004, 06:06 PM

This one is SN 18096, marked GERMANY under the serial on the frame. Barrel(bottome), sideplate(bottom), rear toggle, Barrel is 4 & 3/4" 7.65mm Parabellunm. Trigger matches, bottom of underlug on receiver matches, missing the ejector, flaming bomb proof on front of inside of frame well. Take down lever matches. Non matching magazine. Bore is fair/good. Underside of DWM toggle link has matching number. Moderate pitting on right side from muzzle back to the breechblock. Inside of receiver shows blue not white steel. Other small parts are blued. Finish looks like a drab gray like a parkerized finish. Grips are original and very nice and clean. Gun appears to be a 1900 AE but serial is out of range of Kenyon's LAR. Deep roll mark eagle. This is a restorable Eagle IMO. What is worth in its current condition. Owner wants to know before I do anything else. Main spring appears very good. No browning shows under finish, bluing looks like it is over moderate pitting. Thanks!

ViggoG · 02-06-2004, 06:36 PM

Thor,
Can you give a good view of the frame well that clearly shows the "Flaming Bomb Proof" mark .
As of now, with much aid from others, I have identified impressions of three different die punches of the German "Flaming Bomb Proof".
Anything that you can add will be appreciated.
Viggo

Dwight Gruber · 02-06-2004, 09:04 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Thor:
This one is SN 18096, marked GERMANY under the serial on the frame...Gun appears to be a 1900 AE but serial is out of range of Kenyon's LAR. Deep roll mark eagle.<hr /></blockquote>Thor,

My reading of Kenyon is that 1900AEs are in the 2000-20000 serial range. Have I missed something in your question?

--Dwight

Thor · 02-06-2004, 09:27 PM

No Dwight, I just CAINT READ! lol (Caint spele nedder)

Thor · 02-07-2004, 04:46 PM

Any idea of worth?

Dwight Gruber · 02-07-2004, 07:27 PM

I bought my non-collection-worthy 1900AE two years ago for $700. Worth of the gun as you describe is certainly not $1k. Whether or not you could easily buy one for that is another question entirely.

Imho.

--Dwight

Thor · 02-08-2004, 06:33 PM

Thanks Dwight, the owner now seems to want to sell if after I fix the ejector. I was in hope of restoring it but alas it seems that is not meant to be, at least not by this owner.

Thor · 02-12-2004, 12:51 PM

Viggo, this proof is pretty hard struck and it appears the outline of the flames are gone due to the depth of the strike. This is the frame well mark near the take down lever well.

ViggoG · 02-12-2004, 10:33 PM

Thor,
WOW, You did it again!.... : <img border="0" alt="[king]" title="" src="graemlins/r.gif" />
I had never hoped to get a full depth impression!
This is as close as one gets.... <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" />
The story of this die is spread out in detail!
Great Impression! Great Photo!... <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />
ViggoG... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Thor · 02-13-2004, 12:36 AM

Viggo, I am in a lucky position, I see hundreds of Lugers, some really bad, but some only bad in spots. So I get to see proofs, different type of finish and some REALLY BAD restamps. "My Luger is all matching........yea....right!!" Some of those restamps have fonts that are TWICE as big as they are suppose to be, and jumbled up, and the wrong font. Sometimes when I get in a specific variation that has specific milling/polishing patterns and depth of polish marks I will map it on an ID sheet so I get it back as close as I can. I am working on a 1921 DWM Baby Luger right now. This one is going to be QUITE different, more on it later.

02-06-2004, 06:06 PM	#1
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	1900 AE? This one is SN 18096, marked GERMANY under the serial on the frame. Barrel(bottome), sideplate(bottom), rear toggle, Barrel is 4 & 3/4" 7.65mm Parabellunm. Trigger matches, bottom of underlug on receiver matches, missing the ejector, flaming bomb proof on front of inside of frame well. Take down lever matches. Non matching magazine. Bore is fair/good. Underside of DWM toggle link has matching number. Moderate pitting on right side from muzzle back to the breechblock. Inside of receiver shows blue not white steel. Other small parts are blued. Finish looks like a drab gray like a parkerized finish. Grips are original and very nice and clean. Gun appears to be a 1900 AE but serial is out of range of Kenyon's LAR. Deep roll mark eagle. This is a restorable Eagle IMO. What is worth in its current condition. Owner wants to know before I do anything else. Main spring appears very good. No browning shows under finish, bluing looks like it is over moderate pitting. Thanks! __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

02-06-2004, 09:04 PM	#3
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,313 Times in 430 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Thor: <strong>This one is SN 18096, marked GERMANY under the serial on the frame...Gun appears to be a 1900 AE but serial is out of range of Kenyon's LAR. Deep roll mark eagle.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Thor, My reading of Kenyon is that 1900AEs are in the 2000-20000 serial range. Have I missed something in your question? --Dwight

02-06-2004, 09:27 PM	#4
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	No Dwight, I just CAINT READ! lol (Caint spele nedder) __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

02-07-2004, 04:46 PM	#5
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Any idea of worth? __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

02-08-2004, 06:33 PM	#7
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Thanks Dwight, the owner now seems to want to sell if after I fix the ejector. I was in hope of restoring it but alas it seems that is not meant to be, at least not by this owner. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

02-06-2004, 06:36 PM	#2
ViggoG RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Side Virginia Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thor, Can you give a good view of the frame well that clearly shows the "Flaming Bomb Proof" mark . As of now, with much aid from others, I have identified impressions of three different die punches of the German "Flaming Bomb Proof". Anything that you can add will be appreciated. Viggo

02-07-2004, 07:27 PM	#6
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,313 Times in 430 Posts	I bought my non-collection-worthy 1900AE two years ago for $700. Worth of the gun as you describe is certainly not $1k. Whether or not you could easily buy one for that is another question entirely. Imho. --Dwight

02-12-2004, 12:51 PM	#8
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Viggo, this proof is pretty hard struck and it appears the outline of the flames are gone due to the depth of the strike. This is the frame well mark near the take down lever well. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

02-12-2004, 10:33 PM	#9
ViggoG RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Side Virginia Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thor, WOW, You did it again!.... : <img border="0" alt="[king]" title="" src="graemlins/r.gif" /> I had never hoped to get a full depth impression! This is as close as one gets.... <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" /> The story of this die is spread out in detail! Great Impression! Great Photo!... <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" /> ViggoG... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

02-13-2004, 12:36 AM	#10
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Viggo, I am in a lucky position, I see hundreds of Lugers, some really bad, but some only bad in spots. So I get to see proofs, different type of finish and some REALLY BAD restamps. "My Luger is all matching........yea....right!!" Some of those restamps have fonts that are TWICE as big as they are suppose to be, and jumbled up, and the wrong font. Sometimes when I get in a specific variation that has specific milling/polishing patterns and depth of polish marks I will map it on an ID sheet so I get it back as close as I can. I am working on a 1921 DWM Baby Luger right now. This one is going to be QUITE different, more on it later. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."