Magazine types and usefulness

Stevie · 07-20-2003, 01:17 PM

I received an Interordnance flyer yesterday, and they list several types of P08 mags. Prices look ok, but I was curios about some of the different styles. What is a milled alloy 122( an East German FXO?),and are they reliable? Also interested in the servicability of the Finnish wood bottom mags? What era would a blued round spring alloy bottom mag. be from? I currently use FXO milled alloy, and MecGar mags,also one ancient walnut bottomed mag.

Frank · 07-20-2003, 02:50 PM

Hi Stevie, the 122 magazines preceded the fxo magazines. They were used on 1940 and early 41 Code 42 and some very early byf 41. They are the same as the fxo magazines, except for the ordnance codes and are excellent. The post war fxo equivalent are marked "2/1001" and are also good. These were made on the same Haenel Equipment as the 122 and fxo mags.

Blue tube, round spring magazines started to be used toward the end of the 1936 production and continued until the early 1940 production, when they were phased out by the 122 Code.

This applies to the Military Mausers!!

Stevie · 07-20-2003, 05:55 PM

Thanx, Frank. I know your no substitute for a good Luger book; but when did the wood bottoms stop and plastic and aluminum bottoms start.

Thankya,thankya, Stevie.

Frank · 07-20-2003, 08:13 PM

Stevie, I'm not sure I'm the best to answer this one. I can say that all Military Mausers had either aluminum or plastic bottoms. I know the some of the late Weimar Police also had aluminum bottoms. This was in the late 20's or early 30's. I also know that some commercial Lugers in the late 20's had wooden bottoms. Perhaps we could get some help on this one!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Lugerdoc · 07-21-2003, 08:43 AM

Stevie, The aluminum PO8 mag bottom first appeared from Simson in the 1920s and then from Mauser circa 1930. Many earlier Police used lugers were retro-fitted with these later mags as the need arose. I wouldn't recommend the recently advertised Interordnance mags as shooter, since most are dented, refinished, renumbered or at best rebulit. I've dug thru hundreds of these myself at some of the larger shows, looking for good unusual marked bottoms or decent tubes to rebuild. For actual shooting purposes, I'd stick with the newly made mags or the E.Ger rebuilt mags. I also have these available for sale. TH

JonS/42 · 08-09-2003, 02:25 AM

Steve, I've found the FXOs to be consistantly reliable and durable. Interestingly, the follower raises the bullets a tad higher than the other magazine types that I've seen, so Winchester Silvertip hollowpoints will actually reliably feed with them. Mecgar magazines I've found to be unreliable junk, and would recommend avoiding them-but that's only my own experience with my Luger with 'em.

Silvereagle29 · 08-16-2003, 05:50 PM

I think the first of the aluminum base magazine bottoms became available in 1926. There is a Police directive dated 1926 that mentions the change to these new bottoms when the current supply of wood base bottoms are consumed. Consequently, these aluminum base magazines were well established by the time Mauser received the Military Luger contract in 1934. The aluminum base magazines used in the Simson Lugers appear to be somewhat different than those produced by C. G. Haenel. During this same period of time there was another source of magazines that seems to have left no trail to research. These are marked "Stark" on the nickel magazine body and normally found with Police Lugers of the Weimar era. If any of you guys have any data or related information on "Stark" magazines, I would really appreciate the information.

Sieger · 08-17-2003, 12:46 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Silvereagle29:
I think the first of the aluminum base magazine bottoms became available in 1926. There is a Police directive dated 1926 that mentions the change to these new bottoms when the current supply of wood base bottoms are consumed. Consequently, these aluminum base magazines were well established by the time Mauser received the Military Luger contract in 1934. The aluminum base magazines used in the Simson Lugers appear to be somewhat different than those produced by C. G. Haenel. During this same period of time there was another source of magazines that seems to have left no trail to research. These are marked "Stark" on the nickel magazine body and normally found with Police Lugers of the Weimar era. If any of you guys have any data or related information on "Stark" magazines, I would really appreciate the information.<hr /></blockquote>Dear Silvereagle:

I have a Weimar Police 1917 refit (Simpson Barrel) that has the aforementioned "Stark" Magazine. "Stark" in German means "Strong" in English. Perhaps this was just an upgrade of the spring tension over the older models.

Bob

07-20-2003, 01:17 PM	#1
Stevie User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ok. Posts: 212 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Magazine types and usefulness I received an Interordnance flyer yesterday, and they list several types of P08 mags. Prices look ok, but I was curios about some of the different styles. What is a milled alloy 122( an East German FXO?),and are they reliable? Also interested in the servicability of the Finnish wood bottom mags? What era would a blued round spring alloy bottom mag. be from? I currently use FXO milled alloy, and MecGar mags,also one ancient walnut bottomed mag.

07-21-2003, 08:43 AM	#5
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Stevie, The aluminum PO8 mag bottom first appeared from Simson in the 1920s and then from Mauser circa 1930. Many earlier Police used lugers were retro-fitted with these later mags as the need arose. I wouldn't recommend the recently advertised Interordnance mags as shooter, since most are dented, refinished, renumbered or at best rebulit. I've dug thru hundreds of these myself at some of the larger shows, looking for good unusual marked bottoms or decent tubes to rebuild. For actual shooting purposes, I'd stick with the newly made mags or the E.Ger rebuilt mags. I also have these available for sale. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

08-17-2003, 12:46 AM	#8
Sieger User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,575 Thanks: 2,124 Thanked 400 Times in 249 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Silvereagle29: <strong>I think the first of the aluminum base magazine bottoms became available in 1926. There is a Police directive dated 1926 that mentions the change to these new bottoms when the current supply of wood base bottoms are consumed. Consequently, these aluminum base magazines were well established by the time Mauser received the Military Luger contract in 1934. The aluminum base magazines used in the Simson Lugers appear to be somewhat different than those produced by C. G. Haenel. During this same period of time there was another source of magazines that seems to have left no trail to research. These are marked "Stark" on the nickel magazine body and normally found with Police Lugers of the Weimar era. If any of you guys have any data or related information on "Stark" magazines, I would really appreciate the information.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Dear Silvereagle: I have a Weimar Police 1917 refit (Simpson Barrel) that has the aforementioned "Stark" Magazine. "Stark" in German means "Strong" in English. Perhaps this was just an upgrade of the spring tension over the older models. Bob

07-20-2003, 02:50 PM	#2
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Hi Stevie, the 122 magazines preceded the fxo magazines. They were used on 1940 and early 41 Code 42 and some very early byf 41. They are the same as the fxo magazines, except for the ordnance codes and are excellent. The post war fxo equivalent are marked "2/1001" and are also good. These were made on the same Haenel Equipment as the 122 and fxo mags. Blue tube, round spring magazines started to be used toward the end of the 1936 production and continued until the early 1940 production, when they were phased out by the 122 Code. This applies to the Military Mausers!!

07-20-2003, 05:55 PM	#3
Stevie User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ok. Posts: 212 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanx, Frank. I know your no substitute for a good Luger book; but when did the wood bottoms stop and plastic and aluminum bottoms start. Thankya,thankya, Stevie.

07-20-2003, 08:13 PM	#4
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Stevie, I'm not sure I'm the best to answer this one. I can say that all Military Mausers had either aluminum or plastic bottoms. I know the some of the late Weimar Police also had aluminum bottoms. This was in the late 20's or early 30's. I also know that some commercial Lugers in the late 20's had wooden bottoms. Perhaps we could get some help on this one!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

08-09-2003, 02:25 AM	#6
JonS/42 User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Auburn, WA USA Posts: 32 Thanks: 4 Thanked 19 Times in 4 Posts	Steve, I've found the FXOs to be consistantly reliable and durable. Interestingly, the follower raises the bullets a tad higher than the other magazine types that I've seen, so Winchester Silvertip hollowpoints will actually reliably feed with them. Mecgar magazines I've found to be unreliable junk, and would recommend avoiding them-but that's only my own experience with my Luger with 'em.

08-16-2003, 05:50 PM	#7
Silvereagle29 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 105 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	I think the first of the aluminum base magazine bottoms became available in 1926. There is a Police directive dated 1926 that mentions the change to these new bottoms when the current supply of wood base bottoms are consumed. Consequently, these aluminum base magazines were well established by the time Mauser received the Military Luger contract in 1934. The aluminum base magazines used in the Simson Lugers appear to be somewhat different than those produced by C. G. Haenel. During this same period of time there was another source of magazines that seems to have left no trail to research. These are marked "Stark" on the nickel magazine body and normally found with Police Lugers of the Weimar era. If any of you guys have any data or related information on "Stark" magazines, I would really appreciate the information.