Dok's Jewel Luger-A Range Report

Ted · 05-10-2001, 07:50 AM

Well, this gun is sweet and accurate, but display a small problem during the range testing yesterday! Here is what I sent Dok via email:

Fired ONLY HP ammo, my handloads of 115 gr Winchester Silver tip ammo with 5.5 grs of Unique Powder, mixed cases and primers. The Good/Bad and UGLY is reported as follows. Fired about 35 rds

Good- Gun is accurate as hell, final grouping is right on with sight adjustment, I will have to measure the group, but the last 6 rounds was in the 1" to 1 &1/2" class at 15 yds.

Good-ZERO failures to feed, ZERO failures to Fire, ZERO failures to Eject even when firing super rapid. Usually if I have a failure to feed it will be with Hollow point ammo, but the Jewel was perfect. Good-no auto fire, yippeee UGLY-nothing is UGLY about this gun. BAD-only had 30 rds and limited time to enjoy. Bad-a peculiar thing is going on with the hold open device. Sometimes in a middle of the string the hold open would engage. spring might be weak, but this is something we might ask Tom Heller about. Sometimes the gun wouldnt lock back after the last round, this might be low power ammo. I did clean the hold open channel so it didnt bind at all. Another range session MIGHT be in order, but you might must replace the hold open or you might have to shoot it a bit to make sure this is a continuing problem. All in all I was very happy with the Jewel prowess. She is a beauty!

Any thoughts on this anomoly? Ted

Dok · 05-10-2001, 11:03 AM

Never received your email... so this was a welcome surprise. So glad everything went so well. When the hol open didn't engage after the last round, was the gun cocked, and could it have been dry fired? In the event the hold open continues to be a problem after I get it, should I load a dummy round as the first round, so I am not dry firing it?

Thor · 05-10-2001, 11:20 AM

I believe it was cocked. This is a bit of a curiosity, I could fire it again with a slightly warmer load and since I have polished the HO well and HO, and oiled it, it might just move better and not stick, I still am concerned about the spring and may replace for test purposed another HO that I no is sound in another Luger. Ted

Dok · 05-10-2001, 12:15 PM

high maintenance and more than a little problematic!!

Patrick · 05-10-2001, 01:14 PM

Ted, G.L. never meant it to be fired with a 115 grains bullet. Try 125 grains and Bullseye. The hold open spring is most likely so weak that the catch just flaps up. Patrick

P.S. It certainly does look great!!

BILL · 05-10-2001, 08:15 PM

Frank · 05-10-2001, 08:44 PM

Weight Data form Walters' The Luger Book

9mm Pistolenpatrone 08, post 1916 115-123 gr

9mm Pistolenpatrone 08 mitt Eisenkern, Late 1940 97-102 gr

9mm Pistolenpatrone 08 mitt Sintereisenkern, Late 1942 89-92 gr

I don't know the original Georg Luger bullet weight, but if I had to guess, it would be about 125 gr

Patrick · 05-11-2001, 02:18 AM

The Prussian G.P.K., DWM and Georg Luger developed the original Patrone 08 (DWM 1908) as follows:

Case Length: 19mm (since increased to 19.15mm),

Bullet Weight: 8 Grammes (123.44 Grains),

Truncated Cone FMJ Bullet,

Initial Velocity: 327 m/sec (length of barrel: 100mm).

Charge: 0.36 Grammes of Nitro (5.555 Grains!)

05-10-2001, 07:50 AM	#1
Ted User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: SC Posts: 726 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dok's Jewel Luger-A Range Report Well, this gun is sweet and accurate, but display a small problem during the range testing yesterday! Here is what I sent Dok via email: Fired ONLY HP ammo, my handloads of 115 gr Winchester Silver tip ammo with 5.5 grs of Unique Powder, mixed cases and primers. The Good/Bad and UGLY is reported as follows. Fired about 35 rds Good- Gun is accurate as hell, final grouping is right on with sight adjustment, I will have to measure the group, but the last 6 rounds was in the 1" to 1 &1/2" class at 15 yds. Good-ZERO failures to feed, ZERO failures to Fire, ZERO failures to Eject even when firing super rapid. Usually if I have a failure to feed it will be with Hollow point ammo, but the Jewel was perfect. Good-no auto fire, yippeee UGLY-nothing is UGLY about this gun. BAD-only had 30 rds and limited time to enjoy. Bad-a peculiar thing is going on with the hold open device. Sometimes in a middle of the string the hold open would engage. spring might be weak, but this is something we might ask Tom Heller about. Sometimes the gun wouldnt lock back after the last round, this might be low power ammo. I did clean the hold open channel so it didnt bind at all. Another range session MIGHT be in order, but you might must replace the hold open or you might have to shoot it a bit to make sure this is a continuing problem. All in all I was very happy with the Jewel prowess. She is a beauty! Any thoughts on this anomoly? Ted

05-10-2001, 11:03 AM	#2
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Dok's Jewel Luger-A Range Report Never received your email... so this was a welcome surprise. So glad everything went so well. When the hol open didn't engage after the last round, was the gun cocked, and could it have been dry fired? In the event the hold open continues to be a problem after I get it, should I load a dummy round as the first round, so I am not dry firing it?

05-10-2001, 11:20 AM	#3
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Re: Dok's Jewel Luger-A Range Report I believe it was cocked. This is a bit of a curiosity, I could fire it again with a slightly warmer load and since I have polished the HO well and HO, and oiled it, it might just move better and not stick, I still am concerned about the spring and may replace for test purposed another HO that I no is sound in another Luger. Ted

05-10-2001, 12:15 PM	#4
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Like all beautiful women... high maintenance and more than a little problematic!!

05-10-2001, 01:14 PM	#5
Patrick User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 241 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Like all beautiful women... Ted, G.L. never meant it to be fired with a 115 grains bullet. Try 125 grains and Bullseye. The hold open spring is most likely so weak that the catch just flaps up. Patrick P.S. It certainly does look great!!

05-10-2001, 08:15 PM	#6
BILL User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Western Washington Posts: 826 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Patrick, what was the original designated round? (EOM)

05-10-2001, 08:44 PM	#7
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	This is some interesting data Weight Data form Walters' The Luger Book 9mm Pistolenpatrone 08, post 1916 115-123 gr 9mm Pistolenpatrone 08 mitt Eisenkern, Late 1940 97-102 gr 9mm Pistolenpatrone 08 mitt Sintereisenkern, Late 1942 89-92 gr I don't know the original Georg Luger bullet weight, but if I had to guess, it would be about 125 gr

05-11-2001, 02:18 AM	#8
Patrick User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 241 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	G.L.Ã?Â´s 08 Cartridge The Prussian G.P.K., DWM and Georg Luger developed the original Patrone 08 (DWM 1908) as follows: Case Length: 19mm (since increased to 19.15mm), Bullet Weight: 8 Grammes (123.44 Grains), Truncated Cone FMJ Bullet, Initial Velocity: 327 m/sec (length of barrel: 100mm). Charge: 0.36 Grammes of Nitro (5.555 Grains!)