.30 cal Carbine loads

reiver · 07-07-2023, 04:01 PM

I picked up a 12" commercial 1920's Luger and can't get this to cycle either.
I loaded up some rounds with 90 gn. XTP with accurate #2 (faster than I'd like but what I had on hand) at 4.3/4.4/4.5 grains (4.5 being the max noted in the book).
Nada, even after I replaced the spring with the wolff weaker one.

Case remains in the chamber...when cocked by hand it properly ejects...no attempt at double feed or stovepipe so not enough recoil.

The action is smooth and the pistol in good shape....any load suggestions.

BTW, I have 30 days to return so there is that.

tomaustin · 07-07-2023, 05:57 PM

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Edward Tinker · 07-07-2023, 09:07 PM

I've had trouble with anything over 12 inches. I do have a 9mm 12 inch that was tuned by a gunsmith and works well, but I personally have never been able to do it worth a darn.

reiver · 07-07-2023, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

I've had trouble with anything over 12 inches. I do have a 9mm 12 inch that was tuned by a gunsmith and works well, but I personally have never been able to do it worth a darn.

Ed, I got my 9mm 12 in. working great with 115 gn. Win white box..

However, the .30 cal is a bit dif and obviously a lighter load.... I wonder what they initially used in these to make them cycle. They sold enough of them.

This is an original barrel and marked as such...the only thing I can figure is a much lighter spring but then you'd need the forward assist on closing. I've heard PPU ammo does the trick but who knows?

LU1900 · 07-08-2023, 06:19 AM

PPU works fine in my 1920 carbine , spring original

reiver · 07-08-2023, 09:06 PM

This one is going back...purchased from Joe Salter Jr. Firearms. He had it listed and he accepted my offer below the list price...but reasonable.
He shipped it the next day.... when I had issues he did not question or whatever, he said to shoot it and see etc.
When I decided I wanted to return the pistol he said no problem, unconditional 30 day return, he apologized for my time etc...then sent a mailer/label and is giving a 100% refund.

Honest and upright individual.

Edward Tinker · 07-09-2023, 12:28 AM

Joe is a great guy

reiver · 07-09-2023, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

Joe is a great guy

My first deal with him but imo he is...I wouldn't hesitate to buy from him.

reiver · 07-09-2023, 12:24 PM

There was a unique issue with this L PO8.... when I disassembled to inspect/clean the rear toggle bolt fell out in my lap even tho the pistol was flat. The top hat extension that keeps it in place had been worn off. Not ground off but gouged off...you could see little chip marks all the way around the area where the extension should have been.
The barrel extension was overly loose in the frame front and rear. Side to side movement.
I'm wondering if it 'chattered' when shooting allowing the bolt to stand a bit proud?

Have you ever seen that kind of wear? What may have caused it?

07-07-2023, 04:01 PM	#1
reiver User Join Date: Feb 2023 Posts: 132 Thanks: 81 Thanked 149 Times in 63 Posts	.30 cal Carbine loads I picked up a 12" commercial 1920's Luger and can't get this to cycle either. I loaded up some rounds with 90 gn. XTP with accurate #2 (faster than I'd like but what I had on hand) at 4.3/4.4/4.5 grains (4.5 being the max noted in the book). Nada, even after I replaced the spring with the wolff weaker one. Case remains in the chamber...when cocked by hand it properly ejects...no attempt at double feed or stovepipe so not enough recoil. The action is smooth and the pistol in good shape....any load suggestions. BTW, I have 30 days to return so there is that. Attached Thumbnails

07-07-2023, 09:07 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	I've had trouble with anything over 12 inches. I do have a 9mm 12 inch that was tuned by a gunsmith and works well, but I personally have never been able to do it worth a darn. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-08-2023, 06:19 AM	#5
LU1900 User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: FRANCE Posts: 900 Thanks: 35 Thanked 461 Times in 193 Posts	PPU works fine in my 1920 carbine , spring original __________________ Best regards from France...Patrice https://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2016/03/1...nd-snail-drum/

07-07-2023, 05:57 PM	#2
tomaustin Lifer X5 Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: texas Posts: 708 Thanks: 87 Thanked 522 Times in 201 Posts	did the seller point out this "quirk" to you...? ....

07-08-2023, 09:06 PM	#6
reiver User Join Date: Feb 2023 Posts: 132 Thanks: 81 Thanked 149 Times in 63 Posts	This one is going back...purchased from Joe Salter Jr. Firearms. He had it listed and he accepted my offer below the list price...but reasonable. He shipped it the next day.... when I had issues he did not question or whatever, he said to shoot it and see etc. When I decided I wanted to return the pistol he said no problem, unconditional 30 day return, he apologized for my time etc...then sent a mailer/label and is giving a 100% refund. Honest and upright individual.

07-09-2023, 12:28 AM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Joe is a great guy

07-09-2023, 12:24 PM	#9
reiver User Join Date: Feb 2023 Posts: 132 Thanks: 81 Thanked 149 Times in 63 Posts	There was a unique issue with this L PO8.... when I disassembled to inspect/clean the rear toggle bolt fell out in my lap even tho the pistol was flat. The top hat extension that keeps it in place had been worn off. Not ground off but gouged off...you could see little chip marks all the way around the area where the extension should have been. The barrel extension was overly loose in the frame front and rear. Side to side movement. I'm wondering if it 'chattered' when shooting allowing the bolt to stand a bit proud? Have you ever seen that kind of wear? What may have caused it?