Artillery Rear Sights

Powdercrank · 12-06-2004, 12:42 PM

Greetings!
I have been lurking here for awhile and have come up with a question or two... I have examined a couple 1917 DWM Artilleries, and noticed as the rear sights are raised to their high limit, they shift to the left because the pivot pin is lower on the left side. Is this to compensate for the right-hand twist in the rifling? Does the rifling direction make the bullets crawl in that direction? I've definitely gotten an education reading posts on this site.
Thanks in advance!

DougT · 12-06-2004, 12:47 PM

Hi Powdercrank, I don't own an Artillery yet, but I have heard about the sight going to the left as you discribe--and that it is by design. I'm sure some of our more knowledgable members will come forward with an explanation.
DougT

John Sabato · 12-06-2004, 02:25 PM

No explanation is necessary... Powdercrank has it all figured out... the rear sight moves in the direction noted to compensate for bullet impact movement at the long ranges...

It is a little disconcerting at first... that is, until you use the rear sight with a shoulder stock. It will quickly become apparent that this design feature is not a mistake by observing how close the impact is to the point of aim with this unusual sight picture... This is an incredible design that is 90 years old!

mauro · 12-06-2004, 04:34 PM

Hello Powdercrank,
Let me say that the Artillery rear sight is a beautiful item. You mention about rear sights of 1917 Artillery so maybe you do not see the screw used to increase the accuracy when used for long-range shooting.
According to the LP08 manual, this beautiful pistol was effective against Ã¢??head-sizeÃ¢?Â target at a distance of 600 meters.
Starting from the 1917 the rear screw is no longer implemented.
If you want to have further information about the LP08 history you can have a look at my web site where an article is available that quickly describes the history of this beautiful pistol.
Ciao
Mauro
http://lugerlp08.free.fr/

John Sabato · 12-07-2004, 10:26 AM

...and let me further recommend that you buy Mauro's excellent book on the Artillery Luger... Even though the book was authored in his native language (Italian), all of the photographs are captioned in English.

mauro · 12-07-2004, 01:24 PM

John,
Thank you for your kindness and for your comment on my book.
Ciao
mauro

broomhandle · 12-07-2004, 04:58 PM

Hello Mauro,

I have your book and am ENJOYING it VERY much.
I have bought a Italian /english dictionary so I can better use the book.

Thank you for signing it for me.
I meant to send you a note and every time I started to write it, something or sombody(wife) had some rush thing for me to do.

Thanks again for your help,
broomhandle /Frank

12-06-2004, 12:42 PM	#1
Powdercrank User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: North Central Indiana Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Artillery Rear Sights Greetings! I have been lurking here for awhile and have come up with a question or two... I have examined a couple 1917 DWM Artilleries, and noticed as the rear sights are raised to their high limit, they shift to the left because the pivot pin is lower on the left side. Is this to compensate for the right-hand twist in the rifling? Does the rifling direction make the bullets crawl in that direction? I've definitely gotten an education reading posts on this site. Thanks in advance!

12-06-2004, 02:25 PM	#3
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,152 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	No explanation is necessary... Powdercrank has it all figured out... the rear sight moves in the direction noted to compensate for bullet impact movement at the long ranges... It is a little disconcerting at first... that is, until you use the rear sight with a shoulder stock. It will quickly become apparent that this design feature is not a mistake by observing how close the impact is to the point of aim with this unusual sight picture... This is an incredible design that is 90 years old! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-06-2004, 04:34 PM	#4
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Hello Powdercrank, Let me say that the Artillery rear sight is a beautiful item. You mention about rear sights of 1917 Artillery so maybe you do not see the screw used to increase the accuracy when used for long-range shooting. According to the LP08 manual, this beautiful pistol was effective against Ã¢??head-sizeÃ¢?Â target at a distance of 600 meters. Starting from the 1917 the rear screw is no longer implemented. If you want to have further information about the LP08 history you can have a look at my web site where an article is available that quickly describes the history of this beautiful pistol. Ciao Mauro http://lugerlp08.free.fr/ __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

12-07-2004, 10:26 AM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,152 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	...and let me further recommend that you buy Mauro's excellent book on the Artillery Luger... Even though the book was authored in his native language (Italian), all of the photographs are captioned in English. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-07-2004, 01:24 PM	#6
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	John, Thank you for your kindness and for your comment on my book. Ciao mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

12-06-2004, 12:47 PM	#2
DougT User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: So. Cal. Posts: 171 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Powdercrank, I don't own an Artillery yet, but I have heard about the sight going to the left as you discribe--and that it is by design. I'm sure some of our more knowledgable members will come forward with an explanation. DougT

12-07-2004, 04:58 PM	#7
broomhandle User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Augusta Ga. Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello Mauro, I have your book and am ENJOYING it VERY much. I have bought a Italian /english dictionary so I can better use the book. Thank you for signing it for me. I meant to send you a note and every time I started to write it, something or sombody(wife) had some rush thing for me to do. Thanks again for your help, broomhandle /Frank __________________ broomhandle