DWM Luger with "Ground" stock lug

Michigan Gunner · 09-16-2002, 09:27 PM

Last week, I saw a Luger in a local gun shop. It
was a DWM , blue about 85%, little straw but all matching including the Mag.

However, the stock lug had been ground about half
way off! (What a shame!)

Does this put a Luger in the shooter catagory?
About what % would this cut the value for an
"average" Luger? They wanted $650.00 for it. I am just looking for a ballpark figure. I think
they are a little high on the price.

Thanks!

Edward Tinker · 09-16-2002, 09:37 PM

I would say that combined with the damage, the 85% doesn't cut it. I'd call it a shooter and price is what you'll pay for it [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

I would say that when guns reach 70% they are pretty bad, but doesn't mean I wouldn't take one!

$650 is a bit high in my opinion, but have seen them higher and seen some go for $400, but all depends on how many there are for sale in your area.

John Sabato · 09-17-2002, 09:48 AM

take them $400 cash and see if they can deal... it is already a shooter and not a collector because of the damage and there is no inexpensive way to repair the damage...

You can have Ted Green (thor) smooth off the grip and give it a fine rust blue for the difference in price (give or take) and it will be beautiful and functional again... or just find yourself a different Luger for $650 cause that is way too high.

Michigan Gunner · 09-17-2002, 05:21 PM

Thanks for the replies. I have been mak'in smoke and sling'in lead for more years than I care to
mention but I am new to Lugers.

I bought a Luger from the same shop about three
weeks ago. It is about 85% to 90% blue, a little
straw left, all matching except the mag, a DWM,
made in 1910. I have $850.00 in cash and trade
in it as mentioned on another post. All of the
worn blue is on the front and back of the grip.

I know this is not the best Luger around but it is
the best one I have run across at any where near a
good price. Since they gave me $700.00 for my
shooter grade Pre-64 M-70 Winchester, I was
happy with the trade.

I am glad I found this forum!

Doubs · 09-17-2002, 05:42 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Michigan Gunner:
<strong> I bought a Luger from the same shop about three weeks ago. It is about 85% to 90% blue, a little straw left, all matching except the mag, a DWM, made in 1910. I have $850.00 in cash and trade in it as mentioned on another post. All of the worn blue is on the front and back of the grip. </strong><hr></blockquote>

A 1910 DWM in the condition you describe and assuming a decent bore is a good buy at $850, IMO. It's the first year that a date stamp was used for military issue Lugers and the quality should be first rate. If completely original, it won't have a hold-open. Many of the early Lugers were modified by official directive to have a hold-open so yours could well have had one added. It is likely to also have the early trigger bar that will not permit opening the action when the safety is applied.

The Luger with the half-ground stock lug is probably worth between $400 & $500 but will always be a shooter-grade pistol. If you do buy it, you might consider retiring the 1910 as your first collector piece. Let us know what happens.

Welcome aboard.

Doubs

Michigan Gunner · 09-18-2002, 05:09 PM

Doubs, thanks for your comments on my Luger. I
learned a few things. The fact that the Luger was
pre-WWI caught my eye. I did not know that 1910
was the first year of date stamps.
The hold open has been added but the early trigger bar is there. Bore is near perfect, wood also very good. I don't plan on shooting it much, just
a few rounds a year.

I will probably hold off on an offer on the "Ground" DWM as I am heading West to South Dakota
next month to hunt Pheasants (never enough money!)
They have had it a long time it seems, maybe cause
they want too much. I will see if I can deal on it this December. I expect it will still be there. Lugers are not big around here with most
folks.

MauserLugers · 09-18-2002, 07:59 PM

Hi,
You know, there is a variation that has the stock lug ground off. It is the H.P. police variation. Of the 5 or 6 known, all but one has the stock lug ground. There are also H.P. marked police holsters. No one seems to know what the H.P. stands for. The interesting thing about these guns is that they are stamped with the H.P. and then the property number on the right receiver, the front grip strap, the spine of the magazines, and the front of the police holsters. A lot of the magazines also have a W/154 on the base. Some think these were Senior Police School guns, and others do not agree. I have a complete rig, and found and sold both a magazine and a holster. I have seen two H.P. guns advertised over the years for sale with the same comments that it was a shame someone had ground the lugs. Little did they know that this was done sometime around the 1933 time period as one of these H.P. guns is and Obendorf. Good collecting!

Michigan Gunner · 09-19-2002, 04:32 PM

Well, there is another thing I did not know. I don't think it is one of those. (I should be so
lucky!) The Mag only has the serial number on it but it does match the gun. Also, the Luger is not date stamped so it could be a pre-1910 Luger.
I did not see a "HP" on it but I'll look at it again.

This gets more interesting all the time!

Thanks.

09-16-2002, 09:27 PM	#1
Michigan Gunner User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Michigan, on the border Posts: 75 Thanks: 2 Thanked 15 Times in 9 Posts	DWM Luger with "Ground" stock lug Last week, I saw a Luger in a local gun shop. It was a DWM , blue about 85%, little straw but all matching including the Mag. However, the stock lug had been ground about half way off! (What a shame!) Does this put a Luger in the shooter catagory? About what % would this cut the value for an "average" Luger? They wanted $650.00 for it. I am just looking for a ballpark figure. I think they are a little high on the price. Thanks!

09-16-2002, 09:37 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,911 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	I would say that combined with the damage, the 85% doesn't cut it. I'd call it a shooter and price is what you'll pay for it [img]biggrin.gif[/img] I would say that when guns reach 70% they are pretty bad, but doesn't mean I wouldn't take one! $650 is a bit high in my opinion, but have seen them higher and seen some go for $400, but all depends on how many there are for sale in your area. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-17-2002, 09:48 AM	#3
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	take them $400 cash and see if they can deal... it is already a shooter and not a collector because of the damage and there is no inexpensive way to repair the damage... You can have Ted Green (thor) smooth off the grip and give it a fine rust blue for the difference in price (give or take) and it will be beautiful and functional again... or just find yourself a different Luger for $650 cause that is way too high. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-17-2002, 05:21 PM	#4
Michigan Gunner User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Michigan, on the border Posts: 75 Thanks: 2 Thanked 15 Times in 9 Posts	Thanks for the replies. I have been mak'in smoke and sling'in lead for more years than I care to mention but I am new to Lugers. I bought a Luger from the same shop about three weeks ago. It is about 85% to 90% blue, a little straw left, all matching except the mag, a DWM, made in 1910. I have $850.00 in cash and trade in it as mentioned on another post. All of the worn blue is on the front and back of the grip. I know this is not the best Luger around but it is the best one I have run across at any where near a good price. Since they gave me $700.00 for my shooter grade Pre-64 M-70 Winchester, I was happy with the trade. I am glad I found this forum!

09-17-2002, 05:42 PM	#5
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,670 Thanks: 769 Thanked 1,614 Times in 525 Posts	[quote]Originally posted by Michigan Gunner: <strong> I bought a Luger from the same shop about three weeks ago. It is about 85% to 90% blue, a little straw left, all matching except the mag, a DWM, made in 1910. I have $850.00 in cash and trade in it as mentioned on another post. All of the worn blue is on the front and back of the grip. </strong><hr></blockquote> A 1910 DWM in the condition you describe and assuming a decent bore is a good buy at $850, IMO. It's the first year that a date stamp was used for military issue Lugers and the quality should be first rate. If completely original, it won't have a hold-open. Many of the early Lugers were modified by official directive to have a hold-open so yours could well have had one added. It is likely to also have the early trigger bar that will not permit opening the action when the safety is applied. The Luger with the half-ground stock lug is probably worth between $400 & $500 but will always be a shooter-grade pistol. If you do buy it, you might consider retiring the 1910 as your first collector piece. Let us know what happens. Welcome aboard. Doubs

09-18-2002, 05:09 PM	#6
Michigan Gunner User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Michigan, on the border Posts: 75 Thanks: 2 Thanked 15 Times in 9 Posts	Doubs, thanks for your comments on my Luger. I learned a few things. The fact that the Luger was pre-WWI caught my eye. I did not know that 1910 was the first year of date stamps. The hold open has been added but the early trigger bar is there. Bore is near perfect, wood also very good. I don't plan on shooting it much, just a few rounds a year. I will probably hold off on an offer on the "Ground" DWM as I am heading West to South Dakota next month to hunt Pheasants (never enough money!) They have had it a long time it seems, maybe cause they want too much. I will see if I can deal on it this December. I expect it will still be there. Lugers are not big around here with most folks.

09-18-2002, 07:59 PM	#7
MauserLugers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Philipsburg, Montana 59858 Posts: 250 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 1 Post	Hi, You know, there is a variation that has the stock lug ground off. It is the H.P. police variation. Of the 5 or 6 known, all but one has the stock lug ground. There are also H.P. marked police holsters. No one seems to know what the H.P. stands for. The interesting thing about these guns is that they are stamped with the H.P. and then the property number on the right receiver, the front grip strap, the spine of the magazines, and the front of the police holsters. A lot of the magazines also have a W/154 on the base. Some think these were Senior Police School guns, and others do not agree. I have a complete rig, and found and sold both a magazine and a holster. I have seen two H.P. guns advertised over the years for sale with the same comments that it was a shame someone had ground the lugs. Little did they know that this was done sometime around the 1933 time period as one of these H.P. guns is and Obendorf. Good collecting!

09-19-2002, 04:32 PM	#8
Michigan Gunner User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Michigan, on the border Posts: 75 Thanks: 2 Thanked 15 Times in 9 Posts	Well, there is another thing I did not know. I don't think it is one of those. (I should be so lucky!) The Mag only has the serial number on it but it does match the gun. Also, the Luger is not date stamped so it could be a pre-1910 Luger. I did not see a "HP" on it but I'll look at it again. This gets more interesting all the time! Thanks.