erma kpg69 grips

[Ray]

I would like to fit my .22 kpg69 with wooden grips. Does
anyone know of a source? I have heard that the kpg68 wood
grips will fit the erma 69. Does anyone know if that is correct?
ray

[Kiwi]

Ithacartist will know as he has both the 68 and 69.
I am in the process of fitting a replacement extractor to mine

But I do not think so - I read (somewhere) that the KGP-68 is 75% full size and the KGP-69 is 80% indicating the grip sizes differ
Also on Bob's Parts they have parts but the wood grips are listed for 68 only

[Proofed]

Two different size pistols grips wont interchange
69 on the left 68 on the right

[CASTELLANO]

If they are interchangeable, but:
Not with KGP 68 Cal 32acp

With the Pistol ERMA that is interchangeable is with the Pistol ERMA KGP 690 8MM "detonator" ... it only makes noise.

ERMA KGP 69 Cal 22lr


ERMA KGP 690 Cal 8mm detonator

[ithacaartist]

Wayne is correct, as you can see. I've always thought ironic that the smaller caliber is the larger pistol of this series.

Antonio is also correct, but only the frame and barrel extension will interchange.

Geoff, if by fitting an extractor you mean you're making your own, the reproduction extractors I had made are still in stock. They're crisp, accurate copies of the originals. PM if you need one, in order to save trouble and frustration.

Someone just asked me this very question off the forum. Apparently the KGP 690 was never imported to the U.S., although I have seen exactly ONE offered at an auction on Proxibid in the past 9 years.

I've found that for the 8mm K ammo that the KGP 690 is chambered for, the K stands for "Knall" in German = "bang" auf English. There is an 8mm Kurz (short) rifle round, a bottleneck shell. The Erma uses a shorter, straight-walled case.

These blank pistols came with a gas diffuser that screws into the muzzle, and used when firing either CS gas or teargas cartridges--another handy feature.

Back to the grips... I've discovered that the walnut grips for the earlier, full size/weight La-22s and Ep-22s contain within them--you just have to remove the excess, as Michelangelo would say. The tricky part, the tab at the top of each grip panel that tucks into a slot in the frame, is already there, so you'd line up the tabs, with plastic grip and the larger wooden one back to back, trace around the rest, and you have your profile. The rest is just contouring and extending the checkered pattern back to the edges.

The definitive work on Erma history and production, authored by Holger Schlemier, is available in its original German, and an English translation should be arriving any day now.

[Kiwi]

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

Geoff, if by fitting an extractor you mean you're making your own, the reproduction extractors I had made are still in stock. They're crisp, accurate copies of the originals. PM if you need one, in order to save trouble and frustration.

David, I did not make my own, bought from
https://jack-first-gun-parts.myshopi...tractor-764-28

But the little button was too large for the breech block hole (slightly) I fitted it which was the easy part.

Getting the spring compressed so I could replace the Breech block pin was hard.
Ended up putting tiny Allen key in one side compress spring a little, next size up Allen key in the other, back and forward with larger keys until the pin would go through.

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

Back to the grips... I've discovered that the walnut grips for the earlier, full size/weight La-22s and Ep-22s contain within them--you just have to remove the excess, as Michelangelo would say. The tricky part, the tab at the top of each grip panel that tucks into a slot in the frame, is already there, so you'd line up the tabs, with plastic grip and the larger wooden one back to back, trace around the rest, and you have your profile. The rest is just contouring and extending the checkered pattern back to the edges.

That sounds very do-able - except there does not seem to be any wood grips available for them either.

Will be checking to see if I need the chamber reamed next

[Ray]

thanks for all the help guys. when I lay the kgp69 grip on the
inside of a regular P08 grip, the match is almost perfect except
for the length. I think I will try buying a cheap repro luger grip
and mark them up on the inside with a tracing of the kgp grip
then then cut the luger grip to size. only problem is with the
notch on the luger grip for the safety lever.
ray

[Kiwi]

Ray,

As the grips do have a taper
Maybe start from the bottom
That will also give you more wood to work with for the ERMA tab at the top.

Keep us posted on results

Kiwi

[ithacaartist]

Originally Posted by Kiwi

Getting the spring compressed so I could replace the Breech block pin was hard.
Ended up putting tiny Allen key in one side compress spring a little, next size up Allen key in the other, back and forward with larger keys until the pin would go through.

That's basically what the little tool I made for the job does. Looking straight on at its end, the tip of the rod presents a "paisley" or yin-yang shape. The thin tail of the paisley slips behind the spring, then the tool is rotated to ramp the spring into its well in the block until full diameter can pass. Then the tool is pushed out by the pin.

That sounds very do-able - except there does not seem to be any wood grips available for them either.

I haven't specifically checked for the larger wooden Erma grips for a while. They used to appear fairly frequently on eBay and GB. But none are listed at the moment, as you've reported. I have, however, several pairs in stock, shipped price $45.

Original Luger grips do come close, but the full-sized Erma grips will save lots of work in the areas of the top tab and the mag release notch.

[Kiwi]

PM sent for grips

[Kiwi]

My KGP-69 now has wood grips thanks to Ithaacartist.

Yes there was some fitting required and the result is not perfect. But feels much better when shooting

Right side - note the wood does not quite cover the grip.

Left side - same area not covered by wood and also I drilled the grip screw countersink too high. I plan to stain that so it is less visible.

Back - excess wood removal - thinking about how to make this blend a little better

Front - I love it.

I did ream the chamber - and ammo feeds fine.

Fun little gun