handgun discharged at gun show today..10/12/08

loogee · 10-12-2008, 09:05 PM

Been attending gun shows since about 1970.... today, my first discharged firearm.....scary. Immediately looked in that direction hoping I didn't see someone grabbing his/her chest.
Show was in Fond du Lac, WI. I know the man from whose table the gun was taken and fired... .32 cal. He's a veteran of shows EXTREMELY cautious....guns tied, etc. There have been incidents recently, of dealers finding rounds in handguns on the table for sale. It seems to be a trend lately. The antigunners may be stooping to new lows.
Cops and ambulance were called. The "shooter" was wearing sandles..unusually warm in WI today. Piece was fired at the floor next to his foot. Got some spray into his toes/foot.( Could say why the hell he attempted to dry fire the gun ?.....not so dry).
Anyway thought I'd pass this on to the group....be alert...they're out there.

alanint · 10-12-2008, 10:02 PM

I've personally witnessed three of these discharges over the years at gun shows here in So. Fla.
With so many variables it is bound to happen every once in awhile, although I would say we seem to have more than our share down here.

policeluger · 10-12-2008, 10:43 PM

Found a loaded P-38 on a dealers table at a Nevada show about 8 years ago.....was the dealer shaken. It was his fault, and security almost stopped the show.

Edward Tinker · 10-12-2008, 11:28 PM

Last fall at the Tulsa show on set up day, there was a pistol shot, a 25 acp that someone popped off and put a hole in the ceiling.... Folks at the gun show were not happy...

Mike B · 10-13-2008, 12:37 AM

Greetings all;
This happened to me at the Tulsa show a year or so ago. There was a .410 that, while being removed from a horizonal rack, was accidentaly fired with a live round in the chamber. The shot pellets struck a man on the side of head and another man in the stomach. I was standing near the FGS table talking to Ken when the shot was fired, not 10 feet away. The man immediately fell to floor with blood streaming from his head. Of course, at the moment, no one knew what kind of firearm it was or how severe his injury was. Fortunately, both men were not seriously hurt. The dealer who owned the gun was escorted out and unfortunately for FGS, his table was among the few that were roped off for quite some time.
Mike

the gunman · 10-13-2008, 09:58 AM

Seen this happen at an allantown Pa show years ago . Happen with an old iver johnson 38S&W . bullet hit the table skidded down hit some books. " Thank God "

Ron Smith · 10-13-2008, 11:48 AM

A few years ago at a Willamette Valley gun show in Eugene, 4 or 5 .410 shotguns were discovered to have live rounds in the chambers. It is supected that anti-gun radicals had wandered through loading them in hopes of an A.D. Some of the gun show security people surmised that they used .410, in the ignorant thinking that it's small, so it wouldn't cause a fatal wound. Ignorance of firearms at it's finest.

All Oregon gun shows now require that all guns be rendered incapable of being loaded or fired, with the use of "Zip Straps/Turkey Straps".

alanint · 10-13-2008, 12:02 PM

One wonders why the dealer whose guns these were dis not see this happen.
I am not a dealer but have worked tables at many a gun show. Anybody who picks up anything at my table has my full attention.
Granted there are these mega dealers with 500 plus guns out but still no excuse. You need to have personnel enough to monitor all your wares and use tied wraps and other deterrents to prevent the above.
If we don't police ourselves they are sure to do it for us.

policeluger · 10-13-2008, 01:18 PM

Doug, in my case the P-38 was his carry gun, at least to the show, and he just set it out on the table, with about 8 other P-38's, and did not remember or check to see if it was loaded.....his HUA cost him the table and the week-end at the show....

loogee · 10-13-2008, 02:29 PM

Mike...Re: .410 @ Tulsa...
As we all waited for the cops-et al-to arrive a friend of mine, Bob Reabe from up here in WI., related that story of the .410.........YIKES!! He said that the dealer had seen it in the chamber but thought it was a flash cap(??)..my...my...

alanint · 10-13-2008, 05:23 PM

I have unfortunately had one or two of those moments. Long time experience with guns is almost as dangerous as no experience at all. Every once in a while we get careless through sheer habit.
As a young man I put a hole through my window and into a neighbor's roof with an 1896 Winchester .22 gallery pump rifle.
I can still remember my shock at the discharge from an "empy" gun.

loogee · 10-13-2008, 06:41 PM

Good point......with familiarity sometimes comes carelessness.

Ron Wood · 10-13-2008, 09:20 PM

Doug,
You have to watch out for those .22s. In 1963 while living in a military housing area, I put a .22 through a window shade, window and into the neighbors patio wall while cleaning my Walther PP. I replaced the window blind slat and told the engineers that I poked the window out with a mop handle while I was cleaning under the bed. Probably would have never made it past Spec-4 if they hadn't bought it (or maybe they didn't care...times were different then). There ain't no cure for stupid, but I learned my lesson and have never had even a close call since then.

MikeP · 10-19-2008, 01:44 AM

Put a round from a P 38 through the upstairs floor of the old farmhouse I was raised in.
I was 16. My grandmother was not pleased.

cburd · 10-19-2008, 04:02 AM

In 35 years of handling firearms, I had one a.d., with a Beretta 92fs, was going to clean it, and pulled the trigger in my bedroom, putting a round through the wall, and into the telephone pole outside. Seems the loaded chamber indicator didn't have the red paint, and I didn't feel the extractor sticking out. I always do a visual on the chamber when cleaning, but that was the one time I didn't! Yes, with familiarity, does come carelessness! Won't happen again!

Ron Smith · 10-19-2008, 11:02 AM

I was tuning a .45 Colt Commander at our dining table while off work after knee surgery. I had been taking pain medication (should have been a clue).

It was my house gun so I put a loaded mag in before taking it back to the bed side stand. Sat there for awhile drinking coffee, and decided to check the trigger one more time. Blew the leg off of one of the dining chairs, found the bullet on the couch.

I was on probation for a couple of years after my wife got home. Louie, my Border Collie, who I found behind our bed, didn't speak to me for a week.

Lesson learned...

tenbears · 10-19-2008, 01:15 PM

A few years ago at a Dallas gun show a 45acp went off and the bullet hit a tool box behind the table. The dealer was banned for life. Many years ago I and three others were at a local gun shop looking at a deer rifle. I was the last person to be handed the rifle. I noticed the bolt was closed upon opening it a live round went flying out. The gun shop owner was very upset but it was his fault.

lugerholsterrepair · 10-19-2008, 02:18 PM

after reading this thread..I find I know of at least a dozen AD stories from Friends and Family. I have never had one..yet.

I sold an AK47 to a Friend here in Yuma years ago. He walked out of my house with it, aimed across the street and set one off. Shot the drivers side mirror off of Ellie's car, bullet went directly accross the street into an elderly ladies house, shot her chandilier off the cieling and went into her china cabinet. She was sitting there in the living room and thought a light bulb burst.
We went running over to see if anyone was kilt. Her living room was full of cascading wood dust & debris... She was quite calm about it all and said her late husband had had an AD in her house some years ago...
Cost my buddy about 500 bucks for the mirror and repairs to her house & contents.
He still claims he dosen't know how it happened. I said..regardless, it wouldn't have had you not pulled the trigger.

Jerry Burney

alanint · 10-20-2008, 10:17 AM

Today you would have had SWAT there and your buddy would have been led away in handcuffs.
Gone are the days when people were that undetstanding.
About a year or so ago I went to my freight forwarder's warehouse here in Miami and while waiting in the outer office heard a muffled bang. A few minutes later I entered the office and my friend the freight forwarder had a shocked look on his face and I could smell cordite in the air. After inquiring if everything was all right he finally admitted he had just had an AD with his Sig P228, which fired into the carpet, bounced back up and into a sheetrock wall, which fortunately, was the interior of an outer wall for the warehouse. The bullet came to rest somewhere between the sheet rock and the outer concrete wall.
He begged me not to mention it to anybody and he fortunately had a simpathetic ear, since nobody had been harmed.
Today they would be evacuating the building.

ratdog · 10-20-2008, 05:00 PM

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10-12-2008, 09:05 PM	#1
loogee User Join Date: May 2008 Location: WI Posts: 84 Thanks: 10 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	handgun discharged at gun show today..10/12/08 Been attending gun shows since about 1970.... today, my first discharged firearm.....scary. Immediately looked in that direction hoping I didn't see someone grabbing his/her chest. Show was in Fond du Lac, WI. I know the man from whose table the gun was taken and fired... .32 cal. He's a veteran of shows EXTREMELY cautious....guns tied, etc. There have been incidents recently, of dealers finding rounds in handguns on the table for sale. It seems to be a trend lately. The antigunners may be stooping to new lows. Cops and ambulance were called. The "shooter" was wearing sandles..unusually warm in WI today. Piece was fired at the floor next to his foot. Got some spray into his toes/foot.( Could say why the hell he attempted to dry fire the gun ?.....not so dry). Anyway thought I'd pass this on to the group....be alert...they're out there.

10-12-2008, 11:28 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,930 Thanks: 2,030 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	Last fall at the Tulsa show on set up day, there was a pistol shot, a 25 acp that someone popped off and put a hole in the ceiling.... Folks at the gun show were not happy... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-13-2008, 11:48 AM	#7
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	A few years ago at a Willamette Valley gun show in Eugene, 4 or 5 .410 shotguns were discovered to have live rounds in the chambers. It is supected that anti-gun radicals had wandered through loading them in hopes of an A.D. Some of the gun show security people surmised that they used .410, in the ignorant thinking that it's small, so it wouldn't cause a fatal wound. Ignorance of firearms at it's finest. All Oregon gun shows now require that all guns be rendered incapable of being loaded or fired, with the use of "Zip Straps/Turkey Straps". __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

10-13-2008, 09:20 PM	#13
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,019 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,173 Times in 1,701 Posts	Doug, You have to watch out for those .22s. In 1963 while living in a military housing area, I put a .22 through a window shade, window and into the neighbors patio wall while cleaning my Walther PP. I replaced the window blind slat and told the engineers that I poked the window out with a mop handle while I was cleaning under the bed. Probably would have never made it past Spec-4 if they hadn't bought it (or maybe they didn't care...times were different then). There ain't no cure for stupid, but I learned my lesson and have never had even a close call since then. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

10-19-2008, 04:02 AM	#15
cburd User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: south carolina Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	In 35 years of handling firearms, I had one a.d., with a Beretta 92fs, was going to clean it, and pulled the trigger in my bedroom, putting a round through the wall, and into the telephone pole outside. Seems the loaded chamber indicator didn't have the red paint, and I didn't feel the extractor sticking out. I always do a visual on the chamber when cleaning, but that was the one time I didn't! Yes, with familiarity, does come carelessness! Won't happen again! __________________ "Don't ask me, man, I just got here myself" _"The Goose", Mad Max

10-12-2008, 10:02 PM	#2
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	I've personally witnessed three of these discharges over the years at gun shows here in So. Fla. With so many variables it is bound to happen every once in awhile, although I would say we seem to have more than our share down here.

10-12-2008, 10:43 PM	#3
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Found a loaded P-38 on a dealers table at a Nevada show about 8 years ago.....was the dealer shaken. It was his fault, and security almost stopped the show.

10-13-2008, 12:37 AM	#5
Mike B Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 979 Thanks: 1 Thanked 271 Times in 99 Posts	Greetings all; This happened to me at the Tulsa show a year or so ago. There was a .410 that, while being removed from a horizonal rack, was accidentaly fired with a live round in the chamber. The shot pellets struck a man on the side of head and another man in the stomach. I was standing near the FGS table talking to Ken when the shot was fired, not 10 feet away. The man immediately fell to floor with blood streaming from his head. Of course, at the moment, no one knew what kind of firearm it was or how severe his injury was. Fortunately, both men were not seriously hurt. The dealer who owned the gun was escorted out and unfortunately for FGS, his table was among the few that were roped off for quite some time. Mike

10-13-2008, 09:58 AM	#6
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Seen this happen at an allantown Pa show years ago . Happen with an old iver johnson 38S&W . bullet hit the table skidded down hit some books. " Thank God "

10-13-2008, 12:02 PM	#8
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	One wonders why the dealer whose guns these were dis not see this happen. I am not a dealer but have worked tables at many a gun show. Anybody who picks up anything at my table has my full attention. Granted there are these mega dealers with 500 plus guns out but still no excuse. You need to have personnel enough to monitor all your wares and use tied wraps and other deterrents to prevent the above. If we don't police ourselves they are sure to do it for us.

10-13-2008, 01:18 PM	#9
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Doug, in my case the P-38 was his carry gun, at least to the show, and he just set it out on the table, with about 8 other P-38's, and did not remember or check to see if it was loaded.....his HUA cost him the table and the week-end at the show....

10-13-2008, 02:29 PM	#10
loogee User Join Date: May 2008 Location: WI Posts: 84 Thanks: 10 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mike...Re: .410 @ Tulsa... As we all waited for the cops-et al-to arrive a friend of mine, Bob Reabe from up here in WI., related that story of the .410.........YIKES!! He said that the dealer had seen it in the chamber but thought it was a flash cap(??)..my...my...

10-13-2008, 05:23 PM	#11
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	I have unfortunately had one or two of those moments. Long time experience with guns is almost as dangerous as no experience at all. Every once in a while we get careless through sheer habit. As a young man I put a hole through my window and into a neighbor's roof with an 1896 Winchester .22 gallery pump rifle. I can still remember my shock at the discharge from an "empy" gun.

10-13-2008, 06:41 PM	#12
loogee User Join Date: May 2008 Location: WI Posts: 84 Thanks: 10 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Good point......with familiarity sometimes comes carelessness.

10-19-2008, 01:44 AM	#14
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	Put a round from a P 38 through the upstairs floor of the old farmhouse I was raised in. I was 16. My grandmother was not pleased.

10-19-2008, 11:02 AM	#16
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	I was tuning a .45 Colt Commander at our dining table while off work after knee surgery. I had been taking pain medication (should have been a clue). It was my house gun so I put a loaded mag in before taking it back to the bed side stand. Sat there for awhile drinking coffee, and decided to check the trigger one more time. Blew the leg off of one of the dining chairs, found the bullet on the couch. I was on probation for a couple of years after my wife got home. Louie, my Border Collie, who I found behind our bed, didn't speak to me for a week. Lesson learned... __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

10-19-2008, 01:15 PM	#17
tenbears User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 370 Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 15 Posts	A few years ago at a Dallas gun show a 45acp went off and the bullet hit a tool box behind the table. The dealer was banned for life. Many years ago I and three others were at a local gun shop looking at a deer rifle. I was the last person to be handed the rifle. I noticed the bolt was closed upon opening it a live round went flying out. The gun shop owner was very upset but it was his fault.

10-19-2008, 02:18 PM	#18
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,771 Thanks: 4,928 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	after reading this thread..I find I know of at least a dozen AD stories from Friends and Family. I have never had one..yet. I sold an AK47 to a Friend here in Yuma years ago. He walked out of my house with it, aimed across the street and set one off. Shot the drivers side mirror off of Ellie's car, bullet went directly accross the street into an elderly ladies house, shot her chandilier off the cieling and went into her china cabinet. She was sitting there in the living room and thought a light bulb burst. We went running over to see if anyone was kilt. Her living room was full of cascading wood dust & debris... She was quite calm about it all and said her late husband had had an AD in her house some years ago... Cost my buddy about 500 bucks for the mirror and repairs to her house & contents. He still claims he dosen't know how it happened. I said..regardless, it wouldn't have had you not pulled the trigger. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-20-2008, 10:17 AM	#19
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Today you would have had SWAT there and your buddy would have been led away in handcuffs. Gone are the days when people were that undetstanding. About a year or so ago I went to my freight forwarder's warehouse here in Miami and while waiting in the outer office heard a muffled bang. A few minutes later I entered the office and my friend the freight forwarder had a shocked look on his face and I could smell cordite in the air. After inquiring if everything was all right he finally admitted he had just had an AD with his Sig P228, which fired into the carpet, bounced back up and into a sheetrock wall, which fortunately, was the interior of an outer wall for the warehouse. The bullet came to rest somewhere between the sheet rock and the outer concrete wall. He begged me not to mention it to anybody and he fortunately had a simpathetic ear, since nobody had been harmed. Today they would be evacuating the building.

10-20-2008, 05:00 PM	#20
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