grading luger for sale

hardspunned · 01-11-2014, 10:04 PM

I have a very nice commercial luger I plan to post for sale. My knowledge of lugers is minimal at best. I need assistance in determining a percentage of bluing and strawing for my pistol. Also I have two magazines but cannot determine which is original to my luger. The serial number is 4444 with a crown N mark. Is this info researchable?

Any feed back would be greatly appreciated.

Edward Tinker · 01-11-2014, 10:16 PM

the magazines would be correct period

is the luger marked 'germany' anywhere?

I am thinking its been refinished but we need to see some close ups of markings, edges etc.

wlyon · 01-11-2014, 10:25 PM

When we see one this clean we immediately think reblue. Can't really tell from the photos. The straw is very nice to be original but could be. More pictures might help. Your mags as Ed said are fine for this luger. I assume this is 30 cal. ? Bill

DavidJayUden · 01-11-2014, 10:58 PM

Looks like a very nice commercial to me. In 30 these generally bring well under $1000. If original and matching this one should bring a bit more because of its unusual condition.
Can we see photos of the top, muzzle, grip straps, etc?
dju

Sieger · 01-11-2014, 11:31 PM

Hi,

What does the inside of the barrel look like, as this also will impact value, greatly.

Sieger

hardspunned · 01-11-2014, 11:50 PM

Not marked Germany anywhere else on gun. All numbers match. Bore and rifling very good. Was my grandfather's Luger and I personally know it had not been refinished in last 50 years. I can't imagine it being refinished prior to that. Will post additional pics tomorrow.

Thanks much for help

hardspunned · 01-11-2014, 11:51 PM

Yes it is a. .30

Sieger · 01-12-2014, 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hardspunned

Not marked Germany anywhere else on gun. All numbers match. Bore and rifling very good. Was my grandfather's Luger and I personally know it had not been refinished in last 50 years. I can't imagine it being refinished prior to that. Will post additional pics tomorrow.

Thanks much for help

Hi,

If the bore and rifling are only in "very good" condition, this will lessen the value, as mint or mirror mint, is usually what the serious collector looks for.

Let's seen now, is there any pitting in the grooves or are they dark or frosted? If they are shiny, then the barrel is at least in excellent condition or may be better.

Sieger

lugercollector · 01-12-2014, 08:06 AM

The Luger looks pristine.....and original....value (retail) is 900-1200 ...would be worth more if it was a Military example...

hardspunned · 01-12-2014, 09:48 AM

Here are additional pictures of my Luger

hardspunned · 01-12-2014, 09:55 AM

Hard to get photo showing sheen of bore. Very shiney

DavidJayUden · 01-12-2014, 11:17 AM

I like the gun and see no problems with it, and it seems to be in excellent original condition. I agree that $1200 is a good and reasonable value, but ultimately it is worth exactly as much as, or as little as, someone with real money is willing to pay for it.
dju

hardspunned · 01-12-2014, 11:36 AM

What percentage of bluing and strawing would you list this as?

Will the second magazine be of more value sold with the luger or sold on the accessory market?

Thanks again

ithacaartist · 01-12-2014, 11:47 AM

If it was refinished, it appears an excellent job. The toggle axle retention pin's end is still in the white, as is the inside of the frame, from what the pics show. It appears to me to have a slightly 'matte" look, which would be evidence of prep/cleaning for a refinish. Check for this with a 10x loupe; look for the surface to be covered with tiny peen marks from the blasting medium. The teeny craters will be everywhere, even down into the stamped markings.

Its current finish is somewhere in 90s percent, IMO, but there are better judges of this number than I.

Since mags for commercials are generally unmarked, or at least not specific to the gun, they should be easier to sell than numbered ones, but for a bit less, I think, as military is the hotter item. You might come out a bit ahead by selling the spare, or maybe just even, compared to keeping it with the gun. They'd be in the $100-200? range??

mrerick · 01-12-2014, 12:04 PM

It may be the lighting in the photo, but I don't see halos on the barrel serial number. These are very prominent on the barrel of my DWM Alphabet Commercial from the "m" block.

I believe that this one is in the "p" block, right? sn 4444p

Mike, please take some pictures of that area in natural shaded daylight instead of flash and try and get that area in sharp closeup...

Marc

Maestro · 01-12-2014, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Check for this with a 10x loupe; look for the surface to be covered with tiny peen marks from the blasting medium. The teeny craters will be everywhere, even down into the stamped markings.

hardspunned · 01-12-2014, 02:03 PM

Another picture...

mrerick · 01-12-2014, 02:21 PM

Thanks Mike, the Halos are present, which is evidence it hasn't been refinished.

I agree with the $1000 - $1200 price estimate for this beautiful condition DWM Alphabet Commercial Luger.

Marc

Ben M. · 01-12-2014, 05:23 PM

i think it is a nice original one. probably could get $ 1400 to the right buyer.

lugerholsterrepair · 01-12-2014, 05:54 PM

Maestro..Can you explain why you have hijacked this thread? If you want to talk about magnifying loops start your own thread about them! This is a subject and if you have nothing to add to the mans questions please stay out of it!

Jerry Burney Moderator

01-11-2014, 10:04 PM	#1
hardspunned User Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 17 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	grading luger for sale I have a very nice commercial luger I plan to post for sale. My knowledge of lugers is minimal at best. I need assistance in determining a percentage of bluing and strawing for my pistol. Also I have two magazines but cannot determine which is original to my luger. The serial number is 4444 with a crown N mark. Is this info researchable? Any feed back would be greatly appreciated. Attached Thumbnails

01-11-2014, 10:16 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,911 Thanks: 1,987 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	the magazines would be correct period is the luger marked 'germany' anywhere? I am thinking its been refinished but we need to see some close ups of markings, edges etc. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-11-2014, 10:25 PM	#3
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,616 Thanks: 3,140 Thanked 2,523 Times in 940 Posts	When we see one this clean we immediately think reblue. Can't really tell from the photos. The straw is very nice to be original but could be. More pictures might help. Your mags as Ed said are fine for this luger. I assume this is 30 cal. ? Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

01-12-2014, 09:48 AM	#10
hardspunned User Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 17 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	additional pictures Here are additional pictures of my Luger Attached Thumbnails

01-12-2014, 11:47 AM	#14
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,284 Thanks: 7,013 Thanked 2,478 Times in 1,320 Posts	If it was refinished, it appears an excellent job. The toggle axle retention pin's end is still in the white, as is the inside of the frame, from what the pics show. It appears to me to have a slightly 'matte" look, which would be evidence of prep/cleaning for a refinish. Check for this with a 10x loupe; look for the surface to be covered with tiny peen marks from the blasting medium. The teeny craters will be everywhere, even down into the stamped markings. Its current finish is somewhere in 90s percent, IMO, but there are better judges of this number than I. Since mags for commercials are generally unmarked, or at least not specific to the gun, they should be easier to sell than numbered ones, but for a bit less, I think, as military is the hotter item. You might come out a bit ahead by selling the spare, or maybe just even, compared to keeping it with the gun. They'd be in the $100-200? range?? __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

01-11-2014, 10:58 PM	#4
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Looks like a very nice commercial to me. In 30 these generally bring well under $1000. If original and matching this one should bring a bit more because of its unusual condition. Can we see photos of the top, muzzle, grip straps, etc? dju

01-11-2014, 11:31 PM	#5
Sieger User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,575 Thanks: 2,124 Thanked 400 Times in 249 Posts	Hi, What does the inside of the barrel look like, as this also will impact value, greatly. Sieger

01-11-2014, 11:50 PM	#6
hardspunned User Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 17 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Not marked Germany anywhere else on gun. All numbers match. Bore and rifling very good. Was my grandfather's Luger and I personally know it had not been refinished in last 50 years. I can't imagine it being refinished prior to that. Will post additional pics tomorrow. Thanks much for help

01-11-2014, 11:51 PM	#7
hardspunned User Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 17 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Yes it is a. .30

01-12-2014, 08:06 AM	#9
lugercollector Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: canada Posts: 322 Thanks: 0 Thanked 25 Times in 15 Posts	The Luger looks pristine.....and original....value (retail) is 900-1200 ...would be worth more if it was a Military example...

01-12-2014, 09:55 AM	#11
hardspunned User Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 17 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Hard to get photo showing sheen of bore. Very shiney

01-12-2014, 11:17 AM	#12
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I like the gun and see no problems with it, and it seems to be in excellent original condition. I agree that $1200 is a good and reasonable value, but ultimately it is worth exactly as much as, or as little as, someone with real money is willing to pay for it. dju

01-12-2014, 11:36 AM	#13
hardspunned User Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 17 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	What percentage of bluing and strawing would you list this as? Will the second magazine be of more value sold with the luger or sold on the accessory market? Thanks again

01-12-2014, 12:04 PM	#15
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,372 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	It may be the lighting in the photo, but I don't see halos on the barrel serial number. These are very prominent on the barrel of my DWM Alphabet Commercial from the "m" block. I believe that this one is in the "p" block, right? sn 4444p Mike, please take some pictures of that area in natural shaded daylight instead of flash and try and get that area in sharp closeup... Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

01-12-2014, 02:03 PM	#17
hardspunned User Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 17 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Another picture Another picture... Attached Thumbnails

01-12-2014, 02:21 PM	#18
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,372 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	Thanks Mike, the Halos are present, which is evidence it hasn't been refinished. I agree with the $1000 - $1200 price estimate for this beautiful condition DWM Alphabet Commercial Luger. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

01-12-2014, 05:23 PM	#19
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 475 Thanks: 83 Thanked 117 Times in 79 Posts	i think it is a nice original one. probably could get $ 1400 to the right buyer.

01-12-2014, 05:54 PM	#20
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,852 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	Maestro..Can you explain why you have hijacked this thread? If you want to talk about magnifying loops start your own thread about them! This is a subject and if you have nothing to add to the mans questions please stay out of it! Jerry Burney Moderator __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."