Bob Simpson Says Consider A Swiss - Page 2

cirelaw · 08-06-2014, 06:18 PM

Thank You John! I'm studying up before I get my first in a few weeks. Did their overall quality ever change over the years? ~ Eric

guns3545 · 08-06-2014, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

Thank You John! I'm studying up before I get my first in a few weeks. Did their overall quality ever change over the years? ~ Eric

Eric,

Like all gun manufacturers, the Swiss made hundreds of "improvements" over the years. Some to simplify production, reduce cost, create manufacturing short cuts, etc. But quality was alway important.

They were good pistols and well liked by the Swiss military. When we lived in Switzerland in the mid-60s, you would occasionally still see privatized P-codes at the Schuetzenhaus.

But... the SIG 210 (its replacement) with its internal rather than external slide design was the most accurate military pistol I ever used. Tremendous accuracy, great reliability. An all around great side arm. And its successor, the 220 was no mean gun either.

But remember a side arm is primarily a defensive weapon. There is nothing like an UZI or a MP5 to get the job done.

John

cirelaw · 08-06-2014, 07:05 PM

John Thank You for that! I'll post it as soon as it arrives! Could they have always been privatly owned??

Ron Wood · 08-06-2014, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by guns3545

...May be off on the SN range but 9mm variations have been seen. Not many, but they are around and expensive...

John

I saw three of them on one table at Tulsa years ago! Fakes abound and I wouldn't buy one without serious study...and then I would hope to have someone else give me the money for the purchase...I would hate wasting my own.

cirelaw · 08-06-2014, 09:12 PM

Lotsa money for a luger paperweight!!

guns3545 · 08-06-2014, 09:16 PM

Ron.

I'll not argue with you on that. And some were actually made in Switzerland for use as patterns.

John

Ron Wood · 08-07-2014, 12:06 AM

I am aware of the Swiss pattern pieces John. I was just trying to give fair warning to anyone who contemplates buying a 9mm Swiss...you had better do your homework and be pretty well up on Swiss Lugers. It is not for the novice. Heck, it isn't even for me and I am not a novice.

Sergio Natali · 08-07-2014, 03:17 AM

Gerben
Just for an easy price comparison

1) the "Red Grips" costs US 2650.00
2) the WF 1906 costs USD 3200.00
3) the WF 1929 cost 2150.0 each

Sergio

Vlim · 08-07-2014, 04:26 AM

I bought the 1906 + the 1929 together for about $2300 in total

guns3545 · 08-07-2014, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Wood

I am aware of the Swiss pattern pieces John. I was just trying to give fair warning to anyone who contemplates buying a 9mm Swiss...you had better do your homework and be pretty well up on Swiss Lugers. It is not for the novice. Heck, it isn't even for me and I am not a novice.

Ron,

AMEN to that!!

John

kzullick · 08-07-2014, 09:15 AM

I truly love my '29. I find the quality on Swiss firearms superb. I also have a K31 and it is one of the most accurate rifles I own.

cirelaw · 08-07-2014, 09:19 AM

Ten year ago F.G.S. was selling the 1929 with holster for $2100! They don't seem to go up in price!! Eric

kzullick · 08-07-2014, 01:50 PM

Eric,
It seems like have actually went down in value over the last few years. The Blue Book price for a 98% 29 is $1950.00, add 20% for Red Grips. 5 years ago it was $2450.00

cirelaw · 08-07-2014, 02:17 PM

One small question! I see you quoted the Blue Book. Years ago they were referred to as the 'Black and Blue' book! Are they reliable now??

kzullick · 08-07-2014, 02:39 PM

Sometimes yes and sometimes no, it's supposed to be based on market prices but I've seen it wrong on many occasion, still it is what the gun dealers use. So in this case if their selling they will use the older edition, if buying the newer one. And yes I have seen this happen. All in all I find it a loosely based guide to use. It still comes down to what someone is willing to pay.

cirelaw · 08-07-2014, 03:15 PM

How did a country that never went to war need so many variations or models?

kzullick · 08-07-2014, 04:49 PM

To make it better or make it cheaper or both!

08-07-2014, 12:06 AM	#27
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	I am aware of the Swiss pattern pieces John. I was just trying to give fair warning to anyone who contemplates buying a 9mm Swiss...you had better do your homework and be pretty well up on Swiss Lugers. It is not for the novice. Heck, it isn't even for me and I am not a novice. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

08-07-2014, 03:17 AM	#28
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Gerben Just for an easy price comparison 1) the "Red Grips" costs US 2650.00 2) the WF 1906 costs USD 3200.00 3) the WF 1929 cost 2150.0 each Sergio Attached Thumbnails __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

08-06-2014, 06:18 PM	#21
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Thank You John! I'm studying up before I get my first in a few weeks. Did their overall quality ever change over the years? ~ Eric

08-06-2014, 07:05 PM	#23
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	John Thank You for that! I'll post it as soon as it arrives! Could they have always been privatly owned??

08-06-2014, 09:12 PM	#25
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Lotsa money for a luger paperweight!!

08-06-2014, 09:16 PM	#26
guns3545 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 435 Thanks: 649 Thanked 490 Times in 216 Posts	Ron. I'll not argue with you on that. And some were actually made in Switzerland for use as patterns. John

08-07-2014, 04:26 AM	#29
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,032 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	I bought the 1906 + the 1929 together for about $2300 in total

08-07-2014, 09:15 AM	#31
kzullick Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: East Berwick, Pennsylvania Posts: 227 Thanks: 609 Thanked 100 Times in 81 Posts	I truly love my '29. I find the quality on Swiss firearms superb. I also have a K31 and it is one of the most accurate rifles I own.

08-07-2014, 09:19 AM	#32
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Ten year ago F.G.S. was selling the 1929 with holster for $2100! They don't seem to go up in price!! Eric

08-07-2014, 01:50 PM	#33
kzullick Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: East Berwick, Pennsylvania Posts: 227 Thanks: 609 Thanked 100 Times in 81 Posts	Eric, It seems like have actually went down in value over the last few years. The Blue Book price for a 98% 29 is $1950.00, add 20% for Red Grips. 5 years ago it was $2450.00

08-07-2014, 02:17 PM	#34
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	One small question! I see you quoted the Blue Book. Years ago they were referred to as the 'Black and Blue' book! Are they reliable now??

08-07-2014, 02:39 PM	#35
kzullick Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: East Berwick, Pennsylvania Posts: 227 Thanks: 609 Thanked 100 Times in 81 Posts	Sometimes yes and sometimes no, it's supposed to be based on market prices but I've seen it wrong on many occasion, still it is what the gun dealers use. So in this case if their selling they will use the older edition, if buying the newer one. And yes I have seen this happen. All in all I find it a loosely based guide to use. It still comes down to what someone is willing to pay.

08-07-2014, 03:15 PM	#36
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	How did a country that never went to war need so many variations or models?

08-07-2014, 04:49 PM	#37
kzullick Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: East Berwick, Pennsylvania Posts: 227 Thanks: 609 Thanked 100 Times in 81 Posts	To make it better or make it cheaper or both!