A Good Article On Lugers And P38s

cirelaw · 11-07-2021, 08:56 PM

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/ins...r-p-38-xb.html

Doubs · 11-08-2021, 12:50 AM

"While production of the Luger started in the 1870’s,"

I'd sure like to find one of those 1870's Lugers.

IMO, it's not a well written article at all.

Vlim · 11-08-2021, 01:43 AM

Very badly written, a lot of nonsense.

sheepherder · 11-08-2021, 11:38 AM

"War History Online presents this Guest Article by Tom Whiteman, long-time Luger and Walther collector and owner of Legacy Collectibles."

...???...I had thought, from various comments here over the years, that Tom was a respected Luger collector/dealer...

Doubs · 11-08-2021, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sheepherder

"War History Online presents this Guest Article by Tom Whiteman, long-time Luger and Walther collector and owner of Legacy Collectibles."

...???...I had thought, from various comments here over the years, that Tom was a respected Luger collector/dealer...

Being a well respected Luger collector and dealer doesn't mean that the person is a great writer. The article is simply not well written. I say that without reflection upon Mr. Whiteman as a collector, dealer or person.

Sieger · 11-09-2021, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doubs

"While production of the Luger started in the 1870’s,"

I'd sure like to find one of those 1870's Lugers.

IMO, it's not a well written article at all.

Doubs,

I agree with your comment fully.

Respectfully,

Sieger

spangy · 11-09-2021, 08:03 PM

"Effective Military Weapons

The Luger and Walther P.38 handguns were proven effective military weapons in their time. While production of the Luger started in the 1870’s, updated versions and military advances eventually led to its demise in the late 1930’s to early 40’s."

The thing to remember here is that the above quote was taken from a 'website' and as such is 3
rd party information. I don't have the book this quote was taken from so at this point it could easily be some sort of typo making its way across platforms.

I have nothing but respect for Tom and unless and until he is given a chance to respond to this post I simply choose to believe its a comedy of errors and misrepresentations.

Vlim · 11-10-2021, 04:01 AM

That's not the only bit of nonsense in the article...

It's riddled with mistakes and wrong assumptions.

Sieger · 11-10-2021, 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlim

That's not the only bit of nonsense in the article...

It's riddled with mistakes and wrong assumptions.

Vlim,

A week or so ago, we marveled at the definition of a "true expert".

You, sir, everyone here would consider a "true expert" I truly believe!

Respectfully,

Sieger

spangy · 11-10-2021, 08:59 AM

I get that the article wasn't well written but we all learn as we go along ... Keep in mind the website wrote this article on May 25, 2017 so who knows when Tom wrote it. How much have you learned in the last 5 years ???

Being on this site has taught me so much about the Luger and its history thanks to so many of our members.
I fully agree that Vlim is most definitely one of our "true experts" but so is Tom IMO and experts do not always agree with one another.
That's the fuel that keeps the engine running and knowledge evolving.

We are blessed to have a long list of learned collectors here each adding to the total gestalt of our knowledge base.

Mac Cat · 11-10-2021, 12:43 PM

Geez, that article never ends ......

But, it has some interesting photos I have never seen before. It's worth a scan. It's also a cluttered mess of poorly placed advertising which really does get in the way.

Vlim · 11-11-2021, 04:30 AM

I re-read it to see if I wasn't too harsh on it.

It's even worse than I thought.
The only thing that's correct is that the P38 was cheaper to produce and the mechanical features of it are still being used.

The rest is absolute, total, complete, utter crap. I am beginning to suspect this "article" is based on a short phone interview with Tom rather than anything else, then written up by someone who had no knowledge of the subject.

spangy · 11-11-2021, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlim

I am beginning to suspect this "article" is based on a short phone interview with Tom rather than anything else, then written up by someone who had no knowledge of the subject.

I totally agree with your assessment Vlim ... as you know Tom has been a Luger aficionado since his early high school days and has owned, seen and handled literally thousands of Luger's in his day.

I trust Tom implicitly ... a journalist not so much.

11-07-2021, 08:56 PM	#1
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	A Good Article On Lugers And P38s https://www.warhistoryonline.com/ins...r-p-38-xb.html

11-08-2021, 11:38 AM	#4
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,181 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,438 Times in 2,327 Posts	"War History Online presents this Guest Article by Tom Whiteman, long-time Luger and Walther collector and owner of Legacy Collectibles." ...???...I had thought, from various comments here over the years, that Tom was a respected Luger collector/dealer... __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

11-09-2021, 08:03 PM	#7
spangy Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 607 Thanks: 2,984 Thanked 1,047 Times in 422 Posts	"Effective Military Weapons The Luger and Walther P.38 handguns were proven effective military weapons in their time. While production of the Luger started in the 1870’s, updated versions and military advances eventually led to its demise in the late 1930’s to early 40’s." The thing to remember here is that the above quote was taken from a 'website' and as such is 3 rd party information. I don't have the book this quote was taken from so at this point it could easily be some sort of typo making its way across platforms. I have nothing but respect for Tom and unless and until he is given a chance to respond to this post I simply choose to believe its a comedy of errors and misrepresentations. __________________ Whoever said that "money can't buy you happiness" never bought a Luger. WTB - Take Down Lever & Trigger Plate (#90) for an Imperial Artillery.

11-10-2021, 08:59 AM	#10
spangy Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 607 Thanks: 2,984 Thanked 1,047 Times in 422 Posts	I get that the article wasn't well written but we all learn as we go along ... Keep in mind the website wrote this article on May 25, 2017 so who knows when Tom wrote it. How much have you learned in the last 5 years ??? Being on this site has taught me so much about the Luger and its history thanks to so many of our members. I fully agree that Vlim is most definitely one of our "true experts" but so is Tom IMO and experts do not always agree with one another. That's the fuel that keeps the engine running and knowledge evolving. We are blessed to have a long list of learned collectors here each adding to the total gestalt of our knowledge base. __________________ Whoever said that "money can't buy you happiness" never bought a Luger. WTB - Take Down Lever & Trigger Plate (#90) for an Imperial Artillery.

11-11-2021, 04:30 AM	#12
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,032 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	I re-read it to see if I wasn't too harsh on it. It's even worse than I thought. The only thing that's correct is that the P38 was cheaper to produce and the mechanical features of it are still being used. The rest is absolute, total, complete, utter crap. I am beginning to suspect this "article" is based on a short phone interview with Tom rather than anything else, then written up by someone who had no knowledge of the subject. Last edited by Vlim; 11-11-2021 at 05:32 AM.

11-08-2021, 12:50 AM	#2
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,670 Thanks: 769 Thanked 1,611 Times in 525 Posts	"While production of the Luger started in the 1870’s," I'd sure like to find one of those 1870's Lugers. IMO, it's not a well written article at all.

11-08-2021, 01:43 AM	#3
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,032 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	Very badly written, a lot of nonsense.

11-10-2021, 04:01 AM	#8
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,032 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	That's not the only bit of nonsense in the article... It's riddled with mistakes and wrong assumptions.

11-10-2021, 12:43 PM	#11
Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 670 Thanks: 2,009 Thanked 542 Times in 292 Posts	Geez, that article never ends ...... But, it has some interesting photos I have never seen before. It's worth a scan. It's also a cluttered mess of poorly placed advertising which really does get in the way.