What a Crock!

nukem556 · 05-25-2015, 09:07 PM

Simpson's is offering this high grade postwar Mauser for 7K...catch is, they keep the grips! This makes no sense to me, as the elephant they came from is long dead, and they obviously BOUGHT the gun with the grips...

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...ducts_id=40556

Edward Tinker · 05-25-2015, 09:11 PM

There is a new regulation that they must follow?

Although the original restrictions have been amended.

Quote:

What’s allowed:

Ivory lawfully imported prior to the date the African elephant was listed in CITES Appendix I (January 18, 1990) – [seller must demonstrate]

nukem556 · 05-25-2015, 09:14 PM

So any object that exists in the US made from ivory from now on can never be sold? Thats insane.....so then what DO they do with their unsellable ivory grips?

Edward Tinker · 05-25-2015, 09:16 PM

See this page:

http://www.fws.gov/international/tra...answers.html#2

nukem556 · 05-25-2015, 09:21 PM

Was on the page as you typed......in the Governments' infinite wisdom, you can however go to Africa and SHOOT 2 elephants a year and bring the ivory back.

Edward Tinker · 05-25-2015, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nukem556

Was on the page as you typed......in the Governments' infinite wisdom, you can however go to Africa and SHOOT 2 elephants a year and bring the ivory back.

yes, as usual with gov't, no sense is there

DavidJayUden · 05-25-2015, 10:06 PM

Welcome to the world of CITES regulations. It's a shame how many species are severely harmed by restrictions on LEGAL hunting. Unintended consequences...
Also, don't blame Simpsons, Ltd. Their business world would end at the mere allegation of CITES improprieties.
dju

sheepherder · 05-25-2015, 10:22 PM

I'm not a collector and I sometimes get caught out by the more technical terms collectors use - Can someone explain "Factory engraved polished metal coin type metal finish" to me???

Arizona Slim · 05-25-2015, 10:32 PM

Just curious but I wonder if it would be possible to skirt the law by giving the grips, free gratis, to the person that buys this particular Luger, say as an incentive? After all, freebies are given all the time to those that purchase many other items?

Lon

ithacaartist · 05-25-2015, 10:51 PM

That might work...but to suggest it in public gives it the jinx! Now the buyer will have P.E.T.A., the BATFE, and who knows else checking to see if the grips appear in the wrong hands!

DavidJayUden · 05-25-2015, 11:03 PM

Skirting the CITES regs. is akin to having an unregistered machine gun. DON'T DO IT!
dju

TheRomanhistorian · 05-25-2015, 11:16 PM

That's a bloody shame to not get the grips with the pistol. There's something amazing about ivory (I have one of those old ivory scaled seven day straight razor sets) and something about a a Luger or Broomhandle merits the ivory.

cirelaw · 05-26-2015, 09:29 AM

Here is the law~ http://thehill.com/regulation/admini...nals-overnight

cirelaw · 05-26-2015, 09:40 AM

The Law and NRA~~~https://www.nraila.org/articles/2014...ban-fact-sheet

Vlim · 05-26-2015, 12:03 PM

Even more funny is the fact that Mauser used mammoth ivory

alvin · 05-26-2015, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sheepherder

Can someone explain "Factory engraved polished metal coin type metal finish" to me???

Probably they refer to the dark grey color tone of this pistol. It looks like an old tarnished quarter coin.

Dwight Gruber · 05-26-2015, 11:53 PM

Iirc somewhere I read that the ban includes mammoth ivory.

--Dwight

Ron Wood · 05-26-2015, 11:55 PM

Mammoth ivory is OK.

ithacaartist · 05-27-2015, 02:41 AM

Well, then if Mauser used mammoth ivory, and mammoth ivory is OK (I've heard that too), then somebody oughta clue Simpson's in. ...or did I miss something?

Ben M. · 05-27-2015, 07:34 PM

also fossilized walrus ivory.

05-25-2015, 09:07 PM	#1
nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	What a Crock! Simpson's is offering this high grade postwar Mauser for 7K...catch is, they keep the grips! This makes no sense to me, as the elephant they came from is long dead, and they obviously BOUGHT the gun with the grips... http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...ducts_id=40556

05-25-2015, 10:22 PM	#8
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,181 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,438 Times in 2,327 Posts	I'm not a collector and I sometimes get caught out by the more technical terms collectors use - Can someone explain "Factory engraved polished metal coin type metal finish" to me??? __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

05-25-2015, 10:51 PM	#10
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,283 Thanks: 7,007 Thanked 2,476 Times in 1,319 Posts	That might work...but to suggest it in public gives it the jinx! Now the buyer will have P.E.T.A., the BATFE, and who knows else checking to see if the grips appear in the wrong hands! __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

05-25-2015, 11:16 PM	#12
TheRomanhistorian User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 301 Thanks: 170 Thanked 88 Times in 64 Posts	That's a bloody shame to not get the grips with the pistol. There's something amazing about ivory (I have one of those old ivory scaled seven day straight razor sets) and something about a a Luger or Broomhandle merits the ivory. __________________ Michael Nos morituri te salutant - Supposed saying of the gladiators to the emperor ('We, who are about to die, salute you.') 'We are the lantern bearers, my friend; for us to keep something burning, to carry what light we can forward into the darkness and the wind' - From Rosemary Sutcliff's The Lantern Bearers

05-26-2015, 09:29 AM	#13
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Here is the law~ http://thehill.com/regulation/admini...nals-overnight Attached Thumbnails

05-25-2015, 09:14 PM	#3
nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	So any object that exists in the US made from ivory from now on can never be sold? Thats insane.....so then what DO they do with their unsellable ivory grips?

05-25-2015, 09:16 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	See this page: http://www.fws.gov/international/tra...answers.html#2

05-25-2015, 09:21 PM	#5
nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	Was on the page as you typed......in the Governments' infinite wisdom, you can however go to Africa and SHOOT 2 elephants a year and bring the ivory back.

05-25-2015, 10:06 PM	#7
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Welcome to the world of CITES regulations. It's a shame how many species are severely harmed by restrictions on LEGAL hunting. Unintended consequences... Also, don't blame Simpsons, Ltd. Their business world would end at the mere allegation of CITES improprieties. dju

05-25-2015, 10:32 PM	#9
Arizona Slim Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 706 Thanks: 1,026 Thanked 409 Times in 225 Posts	Just curious but I wonder if it would be possible to skirt the law by giving the grips, free gratis, to the person that buys this particular Luger, say as an incentive? After all, freebies are given all the time to those that purchase many other items? Lon

05-25-2015, 11:03 PM	#11
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Skirting the CITES regs. is akin to having an unregistered machine gun. DON'T DO IT! dju

05-26-2015, 09:40 AM	#14
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	The Law and NRA~~~https://www.nraila.org/articles/2014...ban-fact-sheet

05-26-2015, 12:03 PM	#15
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,032 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	Even more funny is the fact that Mauser used mammoth ivory

05-26-2015, 11:53 PM	#17
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,889 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,281 Times in 423 Posts	Iirc somewhere I read that the ban includes mammoth ivory. --Dwight

05-26-2015, 11:55 PM	#18
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	Mammoth ivory is OK. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-27-2015, 02:41 AM	#19
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,283 Thanks: 7,007 Thanked 2,476 Times in 1,319 Posts	Well, then if Mauser used mammoth ivory, and mammoth ivory is OK (I've heard that too), then somebody oughta clue Simpson's in. ...or did I miss something? __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

05-27-2015, 07:34 PM	#20
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 474 Thanks: 82 Thanked 117 Times in 79 Posts	also fossilized walrus ivory.