1917 Navy

Rugger · 01-14-2015, 01:44 PM

I have just received this 4th Navy variant. All correct, but with non-matching extractor, trigger, grips and magazine. Fully functional. Extractor and trigger appear to be late 30's replacements. I am unsure as to whether grips were at some point correct repalacements, or local fabrications. I wonder if the firing pin is correct/original or not. Paid US$1,800.00. I would appreciate your advice as to where to find correct, imperial era grips for replacement and possibly an original Navy magazine ( I hpoe I am not dreaming). I will be posting additional pictures in separate postings. Your views and comments would be greatly appreciated!

Best.

Rugger

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Norme · 01-14-2015, 02:45 PM

Hi Miguel, Thanks for posting the pictures of your new 1917 Navy. Unfortunately the photos are not well lit and it's hard to accurately assess condition, but I think the gun was reblued, probably a long time ago. $1,800.00 is a fair price for this gun, Navy magazines sell for $300.00 to $500.00 here in the US.
Regards, Norm

Norme · 01-14-2015, 02:53 PM

P.S. I can't make out much detail in the firing pin photo, a correct one would be un-numbered, un-fluted and un-blued. The grips are most likely local replacements.
Norm

mrerick · 01-14-2015, 05:38 PM

Miguel,

Congratulations on your Navy Luger.

If the toggle axle retaining pin is missing, it would be a good idea to get a replacement.

It would be quite something to trace this back to one of the German ships that visited Central and South America during the wars!

Marc

alanint · 01-14-2015, 05:55 PM

A little rough, but a nice find!

Sergio Natali · 01-15-2015, 06:13 AM

I'm not an expert on Navy Lugers, from the pictures to me it looks reblued, in any case it's quite a nice gun, unfortunately there are no longer that many around of them.

Sergio

Rugger · 01-15-2015, 07:53 AM

Thanks to all for your replies. Pistol in not reblued, finish is almost all gone. Hold open does not work with this magazine, which appears to be practically new and unused. Firing pin in unfluted and unmarked, but tip appears to me to be too long; I will be comparing with my other Imperial era pistols. I always wonder what these type of pistols would say if they could talk; what is their history? How did they came to be in my backyard?

Best,

Rugger

alanint · 01-15-2015, 08:42 AM

A really nice set of reproduction grips would do wonders for this pistol's overall look.

sheepherder · 01-15-2015, 09:22 AM

I don't recall a Navy having the date stamped on the side rail (as well as on the chamber); is this a known oddity???

Maybe this Navy came from the Graf Spee?

In my area, $1800 USD would not be out of line for this Navy.

tenbears · 01-15-2015, 03:00 PM

(I don't recall a Navy having the date stamped on the side rail (as well as on the chamber); is this a known oddity???)
The answer is yes.

Lugerdoc · 01-15-2015, 03:49 PM

The date markings on this pistol are correct for a 1917. I do have the mid toggle axel retaining pins and unnumbered DWM FP in stock. I also may have a nice set of unnumbered DWM grips available, but will have to check my warehouse. Tom

Rugger · 01-15-2015, 04:18 PM

PM sent to Mr. Heller.

01-14-2015, 01:44 PM	#1
Rugger User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Latin America Posts: 56 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	1917 Navy I have just received this 4th Navy variant. All correct, but with non-matching extractor, trigger, grips and magazine. Fully functional. Extractor and trigger appear to be late 30's replacements. I am unsure as to whether grips were at some point correct repalacements, or local fabrications. I wonder if the firing pin is correct/original or not. Paid US$1,800.00. I would appreciate your advice as to where to find correct, imperial era grips for replacement and possibly an original Navy magazine ( I hpoe I am not dreaming). I will be posting additional pictures in separate postings. Your views and comments would be greatly appreciated! Best. Rugger Attached Thumbnails __________________ Rugger

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01-14-2015, 02:45 PM	#10
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,414 Thanks: 224 Thanked 2,591 Times in 930 Posts	Hi Miguel, Thanks for posting the pictures of your new 1917 Navy. Unfortunately the photos are not well lit and it's hard to accurately assess condition, but I think the gun was reblued, probably a long time ago. $1,800.00 is a fair price for this gun, Navy magazines sell for $300.00 to $500.00 here in the US. Regards, Norm

01-14-2015, 02:53 PM	#11
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,414 Thanks: 224 Thanked 2,591 Times in 930 Posts	P.S. I can't make out much detail in the firing pin photo, a correct one would be un-numbered, un-fluted and un-blued. The grips are most likely local replacements. Norm

01-14-2015, 05:38 PM	#12
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,370 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	Miguel, Congratulations on your Navy Luger. If the toggle axle retaining pin is missing, it would be a good idea to get a replacement. It would be quite something to trace this back to one of the German ships that visited Central and South America during the wars! Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

01-14-2015, 05:55 PM	#13
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	A little rough, but a nice find!

01-15-2015, 06:13 AM	#14
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	I'm not an expert on Navy Lugers, from the pictures to me it looks reblued, in any case it's quite a nice gun, unfortunately there are no longer that many around of them. Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

01-15-2015, 07:53 AM	#15
Rugger User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Latin America Posts: 56 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Thanks to all for your replies. Pistol in not reblued, finish is almost all gone. Hold open does not work with this magazine, which appears to be practically new and unused. Firing pin in unfluted and unmarked, but tip appears to me to be too long; I will be comparing with my other Imperial era pistols. I always wonder what these type of pistols would say if they could talk; what is their history? How did they came to be in my backyard? Best, Rugger __________________ Rugger

01-15-2015, 08:42 AM	#16
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	A really nice set of reproduction grips would do wonders for this pistol's overall look.

01-15-2015, 09:22 AM	#17
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,181 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,438 Times in 2,327 Posts	I don't recall a Navy having the date stamped on the side rail (as well as on the chamber); is this a known oddity??? Maybe this Navy came from the Graf Spee? In my area, $1800 USD would not be out of line for this Navy. __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

01-15-2015, 03:00 PM	#18
tenbears User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 370 Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 15 Posts	(I don't recall a Navy having the date stamped on the side rail (as well as on the chamber); is this a known oddity???) The answer is yes.

01-15-2015, 03:49 PM	#19
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	The date markings on this pistol are correct for a 1917. I do have the mid toggle axel retaining pins and unnumbered DWM FP in stock. I also may have a nice set of unnumbered DWM grips available, but will have to check my warehouse. Tom __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

01-15-2015, 04:18 PM	#20
Rugger User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Latin America Posts: 56 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	PM sent to Mr. Heller. __________________ Rugger