Artillery Pic

SteveM · 11-21-2016, 06:29 PM

Saw this today and thought some might like to see it.

ithacaartist · 11-21-2016, 07:37 PM

Although maybe it's a bad example of trigger finger etiquette, it's a nice, clear pic of the Atry in use. I think that's a 1928 Thompson bringing up the rear, the pic does not reveal whether its sling has had the "British turn" mounting modification.

Edward Tinker · 11-21-2016, 07:56 PM

Early sub-gun or maybe he just liked it.

It's TV and movies that have dictated finger trigger etiquette... in the olden days, we had our finger on the trigger and I don't remember there being lots of accidental shootings on the road.

I am not getting onto you, but the internet phenomenon I see on this is amazing. If I'm searching a building, I know where my finger is going to be

DonVoigt · 11-21-2016, 08:19 PM

His Artillery and stock was likely sent to the UK by the US in response to their dire shortage of firearms at the beginning of WWII.

DavidJayUden · 11-21-2016, 08:29 PM

Looks like the Thompson's sling swivel may be barrel mounted via a band. I was thinking that the Brits. fastened them directly to the left side of the vertical foregrip. The L-drum is a nice touch, for sure.
Mr. Fizzy Stocking Hat is even using a board stock on his artillery.
Does that 32 rd. drum look odd? Almost like there is something wrapped around it?
dju

DonVoigt · 11-21-2016, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

Looks like the Thompson's sling swivel may be barrel mounted via a band. I was thinking that the Brits. fastened them directly to the left side of the vertical foregrip. The L-drum is a nice touch, for sure.
Mr. Fizzy Stocking Hat is even using a board stock on his artillery.
Does that 32 rd. drum look odd? Almost like there is something wrapped around it?
dju

On the Thompson, they found out pretty quick that the slender rod that hods the foregrip is not very strong.

The horizontal grip of the A1 used a band clamped around the barrel and forearm; you are correct that the pistol grip usually had the swivel inletted into the wood of the grip.

This picture looks like the latter to me.

ithacaartist · 11-21-2016, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

Early sub-gun or maybe he just liked it.

It's TV and movies that have dictated finger trigger etiquette... in the olden days, we had our finger on the trigger and I don't remember there being lots of accidental shootings on the road.

I am not getting onto you, but the internet phenomenon I see on this is amazing. If I'm searching a building, I know where my finger is going to be

I agree with the trigger business totally, Ed. My comments are more for the range and YouTube situations where all involved are innocent people and safety is the utmost. +1 on the TV/movie effect...searching a building with the muzzle pointed straight up, next to your face, ala Charlie's Angels.

rhuff · 11-22-2016, 05:10 PM

Two very sought after weapons(expensive also) in that photo.

GerColctor · 11-24-2016, 02:26 PM

Great picture, thanks for sharing.

All firearms training today mandates that the finger be off the actual trigger and lying against the frame until ready to actually fire the weapon. Having the forefinger directly on the trigger can result in an unintended discharge, by "sympathetic mussel" reaction. Many a police officer searching a building, especially in low light, was injured or killed by his partner who was separated and was startled when he suddenly saw "a man" and his immediate reaction was to pull the trigger. In the 1950s nearly happened to my father who was a cop in New Haven, CT, while searching a furniture store with another officer on the midnight shift.
A number of police departments in the age of revolvers had the single action filed down to help eliminate this type of sudden finger reflex when carried hammer back. Having the finger off the trigger gives a little extra time and thought before the weapon is discharged.

In WW II the common military training was finger on the trigger, whenever in a danger zone.

kurusu · 11-24-2016, 03:12 PM

I'll say one thing. War and police work are very different.

gunbugs · 11-24-2016, 03:12 PM

"Sympathetic mussel"?Clams care about trigger discipline?

kurusu · 11-24-2016, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by gunbugs

"Sympathetic mussel"?Clams care about trigger discipline?

All the time.

cirelaw · 11-24-2016, 04:51 PM

It took but finger on one trigger to start the first world war and the mere push of another decades later to end the second~ Triggers and fingers together they can be deadly~ Eric

Eugen · 11-24-2016, 08:12 PM

Interesting discussion regarding an interesting photo. Keep'em coming.

spacecoast · 11-28-2016, 10:28 AM

I'm just wondering why the guy leading would have the Luger and not the Thompson.

DavidJayUden · 11-28-2016, 10:40 AM

I don't know, but I'd not want that hombre pointing a Thompson at my rear end.
dju

Douglas Jr. · 11-28-2016, 03:32 PM

I have this one in my collection.
No snail drum but a nice moutache

Eugen · 11-28-2016, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Douglas Jr.

I have this one in my collection.
No snail drum but a nice moutache

Neat photo.

I'll bet that flamboyant moustache did not last long once that soldier was in the trenches on the front line.

kurusu · 11-28-2016, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Douglas Jr.

I have this one in my collection.
No snail drum but a nice moutache

You take my picture. Or else...

kurusu · 11-28-2016, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cirelaw

It took but finger on one trigger to start the first world war and the mere push of another decades later to end the second~ Triggers and fingers together they can be deadly~ Eric

I always thought it took two nukes to end the second. At least without some really big, and I mean really big further loss of life.

11-21-2016, 06:29 PM	#1
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DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,677 Thanks: 1,439 Thanked 4,347 Times in 2,038 Posts	His Artillery and stock was likely sent to the UK by the US in response to their dire shortage of firearms at the beginning of WWII. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

11-24-2016, 02:26 PM	#9
GerColctor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: CT & FL Posts: 308 Thanks: 2 Thanked 40 Times in 27 Posts	Great picture, thanks for sharing. All firearms training today mandates that the finger be off the actual trigger and lying against the frame until ready to actually fire the weapon. Having the forefinger directly on the trigger can result in an unintended discharge, by "sympathetic mussel" reaction. Many a police officer searching a building, especially in low light, was injured or killed by his partner who was separated and was startled when he suddenly saw "a man" and his immediate reaction was to pull the trigger. In the 1950s nearly happened to my father who was a cop in New Haven, CT, while searching a furniture store with another officer on the midnight shift. A number of police departments in the age of revolvers had the single action filed down to help eliminate this type of sudden finger reflex when carried hammer back. Having the finger off the trigger gives a little extra time and thought before the weapon is discharged. In WW II the common military training was finger on the trigger, whenever in a danger zone. __________________ It is better to have lived a day as a tiger, then a thousand years as a lamb.

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Eugen User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Newburgh,IN Posts: 757 Thanks: 366 Thanked 594 Times in 313 Posts	Interesting discussion regarding an interesting photo. Keep'em coming. __________________ “God created war so that Americans would learn geography.” ― Mark Twain

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Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Early sub-gun or maybe he just liked it. It's TV and movies that have dictated finger trigger etiquette... in the olden days, we had our finger on the trigger and I don't remember there being lots of accidental shootings on the road. I am not getting onto you, but the internet phenomenon I see on this is amazing. If I'm searching a building, I know where my finger is going to be

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DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Looks like the Thompson's sling swivel may be barrel mounted via a band. I was thinking that the Brits. fastened them directly to the left side of the vertical foregrip. The L-drum is a nice touch, for sure. Mr. Fizzy Stocking Hat is even using a board stock on his artillery. Does that 32 rd. drum look odd? Almost like there is something wrapped around it? dju

11-22-2016, 05:10 PM	#8
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,270 Thanks: 2,686 Thanked 958 Times in 704 Posts	Two very sought after weapons(expensive also) in that photo.

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kurusu User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,225 Thanks: 2,679 Thanked 929 Times in 509 Posts	I'll say one thing. War and police work are very different.

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	It took but finger on one trigger to start the first world war and the mere push of another decades later to end the second~ Triggers and fingers together they can be deadly~ Eric

11-28-2016, 10:28 AM	#15
spacecoast User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: FL and PA Posts: 332 Thanks: 276 Thanked 243 Times in 109 Posts	I'm just wondering why the guy leading would have the Luger and not the Thompson. __________________ My avatars are the Bulgarian word for "Fire", as seen on my 1900, 1906 and 1908 Bulgarian Contract DWM Lugers. Looking for a DWM Commercial side plate #95

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DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I don't know, but I'd not want that hombre pointing a Thompson at my rear end. dju

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Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	I have this one in my collection. No snail drum but a nice moutache Attached Thumbnails