Can A Silencer Be Fitted To A Luger - Page 2

ithacaartist · 03-23-2014, 01:12 PM

Rich, I recall reading that the bullet has left the barrel before the toggle is unlocked. If so, suppressor would have no effect?

Some years ago someone made a system that cancelled all road noise in small cars with little insulation and replaced it with the growl of a Ferrari. Outside no difference, but inside, a different car!

cirelaw · 03-23-2014, 01:12 PM

In fred Datig's book 'The Luger Pistol' Way COOOL!!!! Eric~~

stressed · 03-23-2014, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Hugh

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Kinda hit & miss on finding a reliable 50 rd drum magazine, some work and some don't by the same manuf, and no make is more reliable than the other! You can get a dummy with the kit that holds 10 rounds.

Nice, they even have an Thompson "squad leader" which is the one I would go with. I actually have a nice M1 carbine stock conversion on my 10/22 right now.

A silenced luger will be much more quiet even with it's action. You would want to run 147gr bullets or suppresser specific 124gr.

And no, suppressers don't quiet it down to just "Phvvvt" like the movies, and they don't sound anything like that. There are some silenced sub guns and carbines, like the .45 ACP DeLisle carbine for picking off sentries in WWII, and the sterling Mk5 where literally all you hear is the action working.

sheepherder · 03-23-2014, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ithacaartist

Rich, I recall reading that the bullet has left the barrel before the toggle is unlocked. If so, suppressor would have no effect?

I think there would still be residual sound waves traveling in that direction...And escaping through the open breech...

also: If you're using the cartridge to cycle the action, would it still be subsonic???

gunbugs · 03-23-2014, 09:17 PM

A couple points here.
A suppressor doesn't quiet the bullet, it only captures the gasses escaping the muzzle, and allows them to expand and cool inside the suppressor, thus quieting the muzzle blast.
If the projectile, or bullet is still supersonic, it will make a noise as it breaks the sound barrier at approx. 1100 feet per second, a small "sonic boom".
There may be residual noise that escapes the breech when it opens, as there may be residual pressure from the firing of the cartridge, and the suppressor contains the muzzle blast, instead of allowing it to escape freely into the atmosphere. It thus may cause some "back pressure". Most folks who own "cans" can speak to this.
The oil filter adapter is ATF trouble waiting to happen. The minute you screw an oil filter onto the muzzle of your firearm, you have an un registered NFA item. ATF does not have a sense of humor about this. You should have VERY deep pockets to pay an attorney if you plan on having to fight the feds in their courtroom.
Just buy a commercially made can and pay the tax. Way cheaper and easier. Plus, a well made can is kinda nice.

Dick Herman · 04-06-2014, 10:00 PM

There is an interesting narrative in "Borchardt & Lugers" (B&L). Volume III, page 1421 on "Silencers." One of the pictured Lugers has details similar to the pistols shown in Datig and Kenyon. In B&L the narrative refers to silenced Lugers as part of the UK MoD Pattern Room collection. The article refers to this type pistol development by the British Special Operations Executive (SOE). The SOE supplied this type pistol to the Resistance during WWII.

nukem556 · 04-11-2014, 10:28 AM

Supposedly Roy Boehm, one of the first Navy Seals, clipped one of Castro's boys in the Dominican Republic in the late '50s with a suppressed Luger.

GreyHammer · 05-03-2014, 08:25 PM

This adapter is available for about $250 from the UK, but it only works on .30 Cal Luger barrels.

This is what Mark McWillis' opinion of this concept (www.trosusa.com) said in an email:

"No I don't make anything like that and they're a BAD idea. They depend on the OD of the barrel being concentric with the bore. I have threaded thousands of barrels and that is almost NEVER the case."

If they were not so expensive, I might try one of these adapters. Now, the thread is likely 1/2 - 20, and US suppressors for 9mm are usually 1/2-28, so a second adapter is likely needed. I also think that these adapters were made by the Swiss by the same folks who made the Luger flash suppressor currently for sale on eBay http://www.ebay.com/itm/Luger-Swiss-...item20e3fedba1

John Sabato · 05-06-2014, 09:10 AM

The item above is new production and sold from the "Prior Lake, Minnesota" source on ebay that has had so many public complaints about authenticity... I would be wary of the product if I were you... Just my $0.02 ...spend it wisely.

sheepherder · 06-04-2014, 11:04 AM

CMR in the UK has what looks like the same item -

http://cmrfirearms.com/shop/product_...roducts_id=334

But listed for 7.65 & 9mm...Doesn't require barrel removal, but it's not clear if it is a two-piece unit or all one piece...

Should be no problem getting that imported and sent to your front door...

John Sabato · 06-04-2014, 11:30 AM

I would not recommend passing a 115-124 grain projectile through this device at around 1200 FPS... Tolerances are not close enough to HOPE that the bore is concentric with the attachment. You pays your money and you takes your chances! Not a chance I would take.

aldo35 · 06-21-2014, 10:10 AM

Hi,

I attended a Militaria Fair today in La Gleize, Belgium and was pleasantly surprised by the number of exhibitor offering Luger parts.

I purchase a fluted firing pin for 6E and saw many other parts reasonably price in the 20E to 50E. Why am writing in this thread I saw two exhibitors offering the above barrel extension. These had a WWII German Eagle over a number and P08 stamped on the flat surface. One table wanted 50E and only had one pc. The other table had several and wanted 30E/ea. These were described y the seller as a devise one placed on the barrel prior to running the cleaning rod down. It seemed to be a strange application. Does anyone have any ideas as to the correct use as I have seen this advertised on eBay as a barrel extension.

Aldo35

03-23-2014, 01:12 PM	#21
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,282 Thanks: 7,007 Thanked 2,476 Times in 1,319 Posts	Rich, I recall reading that the bullet has left the barrel before the toggle is unlocked. If so, suppressor would have no effect? Some years ago someone made a system that cancelled all road noise in small cars with little insulation and replaced it with the growl of a Ferrari. Outside no difference, but inside, a different car! __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

03-23-2014, 01:12 PM	#22
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	The First Reference To A Luger Silencer In 1958 In fred Datig's book 'The Luger Pistol' Way COOOL!!!! Eric~~ Attached Thumbnails

05-03-2014, 08:25 PM	#28
GreyHammer User Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Concord, NC Posts: 34 Thanks: 66 Thanked 25 Times in 14 Posts	This adapter is available for about $250 from the UK, but it only works on .30 Cal Luger barrels. This is what Mark McWillis' opinion of this concept (www.trosusa.com) said in an email: "No I don't make anything like that and they're a BAD idea. They depend on the OD of the barrel being concentric with the bore. I have threaded thousands of barrels and that is almost NEVER the case." If they were not so expensive, I might try one of these adapters. Now, the thread is likely 1/2 - 20, and US suppressors for 9mm are usually 1/2-28, so a second adapter is likely needed. I also think that these adapters were made by the Swiss by the same folks who made the Luger flash suppressor currently for sale on eBay http://www.ebay.com/itm/Luger-Swiss-...item20e3fedba1 Attached Thumbnails Last edited by GreyHammer; 05-03-2014 at 08:38 PM. Reason: More information

05-06-2014, 09:10 AM	#29
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	The item above is new production and sold from the "Prior Lake, Minnesota" source on ebay that has had so many public complaints about authenticity... I would be wary of the product if I were you... Just my $0.02 ...spend it wisely. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

06-04-2014, 11:04 AM	#30
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,181 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,438 Times in 2,327 Posts	CMR in the UK has what looks like the same item - http://cmrfirearms.com/shop/product_...roducts_id=334 But listed for 7.65 & 9mm...Doesn't require barrel removal, but it's not clear if it is a two-piece unit or all one piece... Should be no problem getting that imported and sent to your front door... Attached Images __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

03-23-2014, 09:17 PM	#25
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 635 Thanks: 335 Thanked 1,139 Times in 377 Posts	A couple points here. A suppressor doesn't quiet the bullet, it only captures the gasses escaping the muzzle, and allows them to expand and cool inside the suppressor, thus quieting the muzzle blast. If the projectile, or bullet is still supersonic, it will make a noise as it breaks the sound barrier at approx. 1100 feet per second, a small "sonic boom". There may be residual noise that escapes the breech when it opens, as there may be residual pressure from the firing of the cartridge, and the suppressor contains the muzzle blast, instead of allowing it to escape freely into the atmosphere. It thus may cause some "back pressure". Most folks who own "cans" can speak to this. The oil filter adapter is ATF trouble waiting to happen. The minute you screw an oil filter onto the muzzle of your firearm, you have an un registered NFA item. ATF does not have a sense of humor about this. You should have VERY deep pockets to pay an attorney if you plan on having to fight the feds in their courtroom. Just buy a commercially made can and pay the tax. Way cheaper and easier. Plus, a well made can is kinda nice.

04-06-2014, 10:00 PM	#26
Dick Herman User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 302 Thanks: 496 Thanked 354 Times in 138 Posts	There is an interesting narrative in "Borchardt & Lugers" (B&L). Volume III, page 1421 on "Silencers." One of the pictured Lugers has details similar to the pistols shown in Datig and Kenyon. In B&L the narrative refers to silenced Lugers as part of the UK MoD Pattern Room collection. The article refers to this type pistol development by the British Special Operations Executive (SOE). The SOE supplied this type pistol to the Resistance during WWII.

04-11-2014, 10:28 AM	#27
nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	Supposedly Roy Boehm, one of the first Navy Seals, clipped one of Castro's boys in the Dominican Republic in the late '50s with a suppressed Luger.

06-04-2014, 11:30 AM	#31
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	I would not recommend passing a 115-124 grain projectile through this device at around 1200 FPS... Tolerances are not close enough to HOPE that the bore is concentric with the attachment. You pays your money and you takes your chances! Not a chance I would take. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

06-21-2014, 10:10 AM	#32
aldo35 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Northern GA Posts: 308 Thanks: 2,159 Thanked 135 Times in 67 Posts	Luger Barrel Extension Hi, I attended a Militaria Fair today in La Gleize, Belgium and was pleasantly surprised by the number of exhibitor offering Luger parts. I purchase a fluted firing pin for 6E and saw many other parts reasonably price in the 20E to 50E. Why am writing in this thread I saw two exhibitors offering the above barrel extension. These had a WWII German Eagle over a number and P08 stamped on the flat surface. One table wanted 50E and only had one pc. The other table had several and wanted 30E/ea. These were described y the seller as a devise one placed on the barrel prior to running the cleaning rod down. It seemed to be a strange application. Does anyone have any ideas as to the correct use as I have seen this advertised on eBay as a barrel extension. Aldo35