Cleaning Rods - Page 2

Pete Ebbink · 01-05-2007, 12:36 PM

Hi Sid,

Getting back to your original request for folks to post up more photos of rods...

Here is a LP-08 cleaning rod I own.

I think it is authentic based on :

1. Shape and contour of the woodend "beer barrel". Some of the repros do not get this right.

2. Dense nature of the wood of the "beer barrel".

3. Wood swivels on the rod. I had to clean mine before I could free up the swivel aspect.

4. Brass tipped.

5. Small Imperial/Crown stamping on one end of the wooden "beer barrel". With a naked eye, the stamping looked just like nicks & dents in the wood. A 10x loupe shows the inspection stamping clearly. It is a very old stamping in the wood...not freshly stamped/cut.

6. The metal of the swivel components that run through the wood on my rod are made of steel. I think some of the early rods had these components made of brass.

BTW...I picked up this rod with an C/Imperial stamped TD tool in a ratty old holster on eBay. The holster was a throw-away and I sent it to Jerry's shop for parts recycling. I paid for the auction what I thought the rod and TD tool was worth...no more. I won the auction.

I have a 1918-dated LP-08 holster to go along with my 1918-dated Arty luger. Still working on the stock and leather trimmings.

Only thing better would be for my luger to have Swiss proofs...

This might be of help as well :

Pete Ebbink · 01-05-2007, 05:07 PM

Not right :

http://cgi.ebay.com/WW1-ERA-LUGER-AR...QQcmdZViewItem

Strider · 01-05-2007, 08:25 PM

Thanks Pete,

Thanks for the picture. Just what I am looking for. Would it possible to get a picture of the handle where the rod connects to it. I would like to see how it was connected to the barrel.

A while back I drew up the cleaning rod in AutoCAD and did a rendering of it using the plans that I got from John S. I think I still have this somewhere and will post it when I get a chance.

Mike, I will take a look at the thread you mentioned. Thanks.

Sid.

GerColctor · 01-05-2007, 09:49 PM

Strider

To answer you last question:

The last mass produced Luger holsters that was equip to carry a cleaning rod were dated 1934. Even before that date most holsters did not have the strap attached to the tool pouch to hold the cleaning rod.

The brass cleaning rod that you often see on eBay with the built in oiler, was made for Luger orders shipped to the Portuguese military by DWM. They are not German military or police style rods.
Joe

Vlim · 01-06-2007, 12:02 PM

Hi,

This is a rod from the 'dunno' category. The top swivels, the rod itself is all metal, the barrel looks old, but has a smaller profile with only 2 bands each.

Either repro or locally made replacement

dz · 01-06-2007, 02:51 PM

Attached are 2 cleaning rods that came with 2 seperate M1943 Portuguese Luger Holsters. The aluminum one is incorrect and probably not even a Luger rod. The other I do not believe is Portueuese either, but it does look original for something, but what? Any ideas. David

Pete Ebbink · 01-06-2007, 06:51 PM

Sid,

Here are some close-up photos you asked for.

Looking more closely at my rod, the swivel hardware is brass and not steel as I first reported.

I did not want to clean it too much and loose its aged-history. If I took Brasso cleaner to it, I am sure the brass would be very bright.

Let me know if you need more info.

Strider · 01-08-2007, 02:37 PM

Great photos Pete! You went above and beyond the call. I do appreciate it very much. It looks great just as it is. I would not clean it although it is tempting to do so.

Gerben, thanks for the photo. The one that I have is similar to yours and is all steel. I have no ideas either who made this. I am sure that it is a reproduction.

Thanks for the info Joe.

David, I have an aluminum cleaning rod similar to the top one pictured that was in a cleaning kit that I got from my father. Would you be able to do a favor for me? I would like to see a few detailed pictures of the one at the bottom. This is the first time that I have seen one like it. I wonder how common or rare those are. Anyone out there have any idea? Does anyone have anything similar? Can you post photos if you do?

Thanks everyone, this is certainly interesting.

Sid.

thegundude · 01-08-2007, 04:29 PM

What do you all think of this offering?

eBay cleaning rod

George Anderson · 01-09-2007, 07:57 AM

Photo's not clear enough to judge. Seller's feedback indicates that he sometimes sells reproductions.

thegundude · 01-09-2007, 08:13 AM

Yeah, and his description isn't great either....

Hey George, I sent you an email. Have you gotten it yet?

Pete Ebbink · 01-09-2007, 05:40 PM

Photo close-up :

laoshi75 · 01-22-2007, 08:39 AM

hello Gentlemen, I have the same cleaning rod as this one posted by G. Van Vlimmeren (look at his photo here), with only two bands each. what do you really beleive gentlemen, is this item an original or a copy ? thank you !

laoshi75 · 01-22-2007, 08:39 AM

hello Gentlemen, I have the same cleaning rod as this one posted by G. Van Vlimmeren (look at his photo here), with only two bands each. what do you really beleive gentlemen, is this item an original or a copy ? thank you !

laoshi75 · 01-22-2007, 08:39 AM

hello Gentlemen, I have the same cleaning rod as this one posted by G. Van Vlimmeren (look at his photo here), with only two bands each. what do you really beleive gentlemen, is this item an original or a copy ? thank you !

01-05-2007, 08:25 PM	#23
Strider User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 256 Thanks: 26 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks Pete, Thanks for the picture. Just what I am looking for. Would it possible to get a picture of the handle where the rod connects to it. I would like to see how it was connected to the barrel. A while back I drew up the cleaning rod in AutoCAD and did a rendering of it using the plans that I got from John S. I think I still have this somewhere and will post it when I get a chance. Mike, I will take a look at the thread you mentioned. Thanks. Sid. __________________ Sid. Patience is a bitter plant, but it has sweet fruit. ~German Proverb If it is made before 1930 ..........It is a prototype.

01-05-2007, 09:49 PM	#24
GerColctor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: CT & FL Posts: 308 Thanks: 2 Thanked 40 Times in 27 Posts	Strider To answer you last question: The last mass produced Luger holsters that was equip to carry a cleaning rod were dated 1934. Even before that date most holsters did not have the strap attached to the tool pouch to hold the cleaning rod. The brass cleaning rod that you often see on eBay with the built in oiler, was made for Luger orders shipped to the Portuguese military by DWM. They are not German military or police style rods. Joe __________________ It is better to have lived a day as a tiger, then a thousand years as a lamb.

01-06-2007, 12:02 PM	#25
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,032 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	Hi, This is a rod from the 'dunno' category. The top swivels, the rod itself is all metal, the barrel looks old, but has a smaller profile with only 2 bands each. Either repro or locally made replacement Attached Thumbnails

01-08-2007, 02:37 PM	#28
Strider User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 256 Thanks: 26 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Great photos Pete! You went above and beyond the call. I do appreciate it very much. It looks great just as it is. I would not clean it although it is tempting to do so. Gerben, thanks for the photo. The one that I have is similar to yours and is all steel. I have no ideas either who made this. I am sure that it is a reproduction. Thanks for the info Joe. David, I have an aluminum cleaning rod similar to the top one pictured that was in a cleaning kit that I got from my father. Would you be able to do a favor for me? I would like to see a few detailed pictures of the one at the bottom. This is the first time that I have seen one like it. I wonder how common or rare those are. Anyone out there have any idea? Does anyone have anything similar? Can you post photos if you do? Thanks everyone, this is certainly interesting. Sid. __________________ Sid. Patience is a bitter plant, but it has sweet fruit. ~German Proverb If it is made before 1930 ..........It is a prototype.

01-08-2007, 04:29 PM	#29
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	What do you all think of this offering? eBay cleaning rod __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

01-05-2007, 12:36 PM	#21
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Sid, Getting back to your original request for folks to post up more photos of rods... Here is a LP-08 cleaning rod I own. I think it is authentic based on : 1. Shape and contour of the woodend "beer barrel". Some of the repros do not get this right. 2. Dense nature of the wood of the "beer barrel". 3. Wood swivels on the rod. I had to clean mine before I could free up the swivel aspect. 4. Brass tipped. 5. Small Imperial/Crown stamping on one end of the wooden "beer barrel". With a naked eye, the stamping looked just like nicks & dents in the wood. A 10x loupe shows the inspection stamping clearly. It is a very old stamping in the wood...not freshly stamped/cut. 6. The metal of the swivel components that run through the wood on my rod are made of steel. I think some of the early rods had these components made of brass. BTW...I picked up this rod with an C/Imperial stamped TD tool in a ratty old holster on eBay. The holster was a throw-away and I sent it to Jerry's shop for parts recycling. I paid for the auction what I thought the rod and TD tool was worth...no more. I won the auction. I have a 1918-dated LP-08 holster to go along with my 1918-dated Arty luger. Still working on the stock and leather trimmings. Only thing better would be for my luger to have Swiss proofs... This might be of help as well :

01-05-2007, 05:07 PM	#22
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Not right : http://cgi.ebay.com/WW1-ERA-LUGER-AR...QQcmdZViewItem

01-06-2007, 02:51 PM	#26
dz Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 258 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 37 Posts	Attached are 2 cleaning rods that came with 2 seperate M1943 Portuguese Luger Holsters. The aluminum one is incorrect and probably not even a Luger rod. The other I do not believe is Portueuese either, but it does look original for something, but what? Any ideas. David

01-06-2007, 06:51 PM	#27
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Sid, Here are some close-up photos you asked for. Looking more closely at my rod, the swivel hardware is brass and not steel as I first reported. I did not want to clean it too much and loose its aged-history. If I took Brasso cleaner to it, I am sure the brass would be very bright. Let me know if you need more info.

01-09-2007, 07:57 AM	#30
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,769 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	Photo's not clear enough to judge. Seller's feedback indicates that he sometimes sells reproductions.

01-09-2007, 08:13 AM	#31
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Yeah, and his description isn't great either.... Hey George, I sent you an email. Have you gotten it yet? __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

01-09-2007, 05:40 PM	#32
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Photo close-up :

01-22-2007, 08:39 AM	#33
laoshi75 User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Thailand/France Posts: 490 Thanks: 288 Thanked 96 Times in 41 Posts	hello Gentlemen, I have the same cleaning rod as this one posted by G. Van Vlimmeren (look at his photo here), with only two bands each. what do you really beleive gentlemen, is this item an original or a copy ? thank you !