Luger Take Down Tool

rob280 · 01-16-2012, 06:11 AM

I have a 1939 Mauser 42 code Luger, what markings should be on an original take down tool. I am looking for an original tool. Also, I have another original take down tool that has a crown with a number 3 below it. I think it is for a WW1 Luger, correct me if I am wrong.

Norme · 01-16-2012, 09:29 AM

Hi Rob, Your 1939 42 Mauser has two stick eagle/655 inspection marks on it's left receiver, like the one shown. The tool should have the same mark. Regard, Norm

MFC · 01-17-2012, 02:29 AM

Doug,
Sorry to disagree but, this is the way I understand it...
The 'Crown/gothic letter' is a military acceptance stamp. Different stamps, with the first letter of the inspectors last name, were assigned to each individual inspector. Many different letters can be found on WWI tools.
WWII military tools should have an acceptance stamp.
There are a few WWII era unmarked commercial tools but, would not be correct for a military rig.
Most unmarked tools are DWM (the shape is different) and are correct with military or commercial rigs.

Robert,
You probably have a C/Z marked tool.

regul · 01-17-2012, 07:46 AM

Rob280
I have attached a picture of a DWM Crown Z accepted tool for comparison.
Thanks
Ed

alanint · 01-17-2012, 10:18 AM

Mike is right.

I vapor locked while typing, as I was thinking of something else. It is a Crown/Z tool.

Sorry for the confusion.

klaus 3338 · 01-17-2012, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MFC

Doug,
Sorry to disagree but, this is the way I understand it...
The 'Crown/gothic letter' is a military acceptance stamp. Different stamps, with the first letter of the inspectors last name, were assigned to each individual inspector. Many different letters can be found on WWI tools.
WWII military tools should have an acceptance stamp.
There are a few WWII era unmarked commercial tools but, would not be correct for a military rig.
Most unmarked tools are DWM (the shape is different) and are correct with military or commercial rigs.

Robert,
You probably have a C/Z marked tool.

Let me try to explain the differences of the tools during the time with my "I know 100 words English".

You are right that the gothic letters during the Imperial time are the first letter of the inspector’s last name. But these tools came in 1910 according the 1910 dated stamping order and were stopped in 1919 when Germany was a Republic. All tools before 1910 were without the acceptance marks and these tools are rare!- Much rarer than these with the acceptance.

The military III. Reich tools have the eagle/ 63, 655 and 135 acceptance marks (K-and G date Luger have usually other acceptance) and the stamps are for an "Abnahmebeamten" which have military ranks. Don Hallock and Joop van de Kant wrote their names the first time in their book "The Mauser Parabellum". The III Reich tools without acceptance were for example issued to the byf Luger which went to Portugal in 1943.

I think Norm is right: the 655 tool is correct for the 1939 Luger.
And MFC is correct that the Imperial tool is the C/Z for the DWM first issue and the other early Lugers with this acceptance.

Dave Lindsay offers a 52 pages article about tools on Jan´s site.

wolfganggo · 01-18-2012, 02:30 AM

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Dave Lindsay offers a 52 pages article about tools on Jan´s site.

could you pls post a link to this artikle ..... thx

wolfganggo, from austria.......

klaus 3338 · 01-18-2012, 12:10 PM

Hallo Wolfgang,
eine kleinere in Deutsch verfasste Version kann hier eingesehen werden:
http://militaria-fundforum.de./showthread.php?t=243112
Gruß Klaus

A.Mifsin · 01-18-2012, 01:19 PM

Thank You Klaus, but it is in German, (I think.) Is there a way that we can get this article in English, from the looks of it, it is a very useful information to read.

Alf.

MaplebayDave · 01-18-2012, 05:06 PM

Rob280,

If you are successful in finding an original takedown tool appropriate to the era of your P.08, and find you no longer need the WWI era tool, I would be interested in it. This past weekend, I acquired a DWM made in 1918 - just a gun, with no holster or takedown tool, and I would like to have an appropriate tool to go with it. Thanks for your consideration.

Dave

MFC · 01-19-2012, 01:21 AM

Dave Lindsay posted this on Jan Still's Forum...

"If any one is interested Klaus and I put together photos of the acceptance marks for the known DWM and Erfurt loading tools. If anyone is interested in a copy (about 4 pages) I would be most happy to email them to you. No cost. All I need is your email address. The best to you. Dave L. lindsay125@saintmarieswireless.com "

01-16-2012, 06:11 AM	#1
rob280 User Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 8 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Luger Take Down Tool I have a 1939 Mauser 42 code Luger, what markings should be on an original take down tool. I am looking for an original tool. Also, I have another original take down tool that has a crown with a number 3 below it. I think it is for a WW1 Luger, correct me if I am wrong.

01-16-2012, 09:29 AM	#2
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Rob, Your 1939 42 Mauser has two stick eagle/655 inspection marks on it's left receiver, like the one shown. The tool should have the same mark. Regard, Norm Attached Thumbnails

01-17-2012, 02:29 AM	#3
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Doug, Sorry to disagree but, this is the way I understand it... The 'Crown/gothic letter' is a military acceptance stamp. Different stamps, with the first letter of the inspectors last name, were assigned to each individual inspector. Many different letters can be found on WWI tools. WWII military tools should have an acceptance stamp. There are a few WWII era unmarked commercial tools but, would not be correct for a military rig. Most unmarked tools are DWM (the shape is different) and are correct with military or commercial rigs. Robert, You probably have a C/Z marked tool. Attached Images __________________ Mike C. Last edited by MFC; 01-17-2012 at 03:43 AM.

01-17-2012, 07:46 AM	#4
regul Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: VA Posts: 96 Thanks: 19 Thanked 57 Times in 20 Posts	DWM Crown Z Rob280 I have attached a picture of a DWM Crown Z accepted tool for comparison. Thanks Ed Attached Thumbnails

01-18-2012, 01:19 PM	#9
A.Mifsin User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Malta Posts: 570 Thanks: 74 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	Thank You Klaus, but it is in German, (I think.) Is there a way that we can get this article in English, from the looks of it, it is a very useful information to read. Alf. __________________ I prefer a Luger

01-17-2012, 10:18 AM	#5
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Mike is right. I vapor locked while typing, as I was thinking of something else. It is a Crown/Z tool. Sorry for the confusion.

01-18-2012, 12:10 PM	#8
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 517 Thanks: 0 Thanked 411 Times in 160 Posts	Hallo Wolfgang, eine kleinere in Deutsch verfasste Version kann hier eingesehen werden: http://militaria-fundforum.de./showthread.php?t=243112 Gruß Klaus

01-18-2012, 05:06 PM	#10
MaplebayDave User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 5 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Interested in your Crown-Z takedown tool Rob280, If you are successful in finding an original takedown tool appropriate to the era of your P.08, and find you no longer need the WWI era tool, I would be interested in it. This past weekend, I acquired a DWM made in 1918 - just a gun, with no holster or takedown tool, and I would like to have an appropriate tool to go with it. Thanks for your consideration. Dave __________________ "Those who live by the sword will eventually succumb to those who use guns." - Dave

01-19-2012, 01:21 AM	#11
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Dave Lindsay posted this on Jan Still's Forum... "If any one is interested Klaus and I put together photos of the acceptance marks for the known DWM and Erfurt loading tools. If anyone is interested in a copy (about 4 pages) I would be most happy to email them to you. No cost. All I need is your email address. The best to you. Dave L. lindsay125@saintmarieswireless.com " __________________ Mike C.