Kriegs on Gunbroker....

John D. · 02-06-2004, 04:18 PM

Well - Pete got me in the mood to go to Gunbroker and see if I can get e-mails about HKs.. No luck there - BUT - there are 2 HKs up for auction....
1943 Krieghoff (click here)
and
1937 Krieg (click here)
No affiliation, yada, yada....

drbuster · 02-06-2004, 09:02 PM

John, these are two nice Krieghoffs! The 1943 one is up for auction from George Anderson who we can all trust 1000%. Did you notice that the "1943" over the chamber is uneven and perhaps hand stamped. Was this customary for later Krieghoffs? The other specimen, 1937, is from "docholl" who appears to be a local northern Californian. There is no reserve! This piece can be picked up "for a song" as they say. Would like to see what else he has.

John D. · 02-06-2004, 10:11 PM

Hey Doc,

I agree with you - both are excellent examples. While the 1943 mag looks like an overstamp (as George is aware of), it is properly proofed. As for the 1943 Chamber Date - yes - it is absolutely correct and follows the pattern with the "4" and the "3". While there were variances given the holder for the die striker/retainer piece to piece, most chamber dates follow a tell tale pattern of the numerals, their set and relation to the baseline.

As for the 1937 - if I didn't have one - I'd be bidding on this piece. I don't know the seller, so I hope the prospective buyers ask for some detail pics. Without a reserve, it can probably be acquired for less then the current dealer retail pricing - unless the "bidding frenzy" takes hold....

Navy · 02-06-2004, 11:47 PM

All,

As my Navy collection is nearing completion, I have decided to move into Kriegs..aftter all, they have that anchor thing-gee on them.

Will keep the forum posted as to my successes, frustrations and failures in this endeavor.

Tom A.

lugerholsterrepair · 02-06-2004, 11:57 PM

Herb, You are right, George is a standup guy and I would trust him in any transaction. Jerry Burney

John D. · 02-07-2004, 09:06 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Tom A:
All,

As my Navy collection is nearing completion, I have decided to move into Kriegs..aftter all, they have that anchor thing-gee on them.<hr /></blockquote><img border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" title="" src="graemlins/bigok.gif" />

OUTSTANDING!!! ( I hope you are serious..!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> The Krieg community would welcome an avid and astute collector such as yourself - at least I would..!!! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

Frank · 02-07-2004, 04:05 PM

Hi Guys, I would like to echo your comments regarding George!! He is an upright guy and my dealings with him have been great. I already told him that if I were an Anchor Type, I'd be bidding on that Krieg!! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

John D. · 02-07-2004, 05:31 PM

Hey Frank..!!!

I agree...!!!

BTW - that 1943 is outstanding.... I hope it goes to a terrific collector - as it deserves....

Navy · 02-07-2004, 09:12 PM

That collector is gonna be me!
Actually, as someone who spent 17+ years as a military flyer, I actually relate to Kriegs personally more than I do to Navy guns. So, off we go into the world of kriegs...

Tom A.

John D. · 02-07-2004, 09:32 PM

OUTSTANDING!!!!! That is absolutely a terrific cornerstone piece for a Krieg collection, Tom... Congratulations!! I watched as that auction closed down - and had no idea who the buyer was at that time... I corresponded with George some time back about that particuliar piece (see this Krieg Forum some time ago).

Welcome to the Krieghoff world Tom - with a grande entrance...

Simply outstanding.... !!!!!

<img border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" title="" src="graemlins/bigok.gif" />

Frank H · 02-07-2004, 10:48 PM

With Tom A hot on the trail of new Kriegs, we'll no doubt be seeing alot of good stuff. I'm sure you made George happy! Good hunting! Frank H

Navy · 02-08-2004, 06:11 PM

Well, %##@@!!,
Before George got the auction shut down, someone bought it out from under me. Sigh..

Will start this hunt with determination.

Tom A.

John D. · 02-08-2004, 10:12 PM

Well - no problem!!! 1943's come up for sale every 3 or 4 years.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Heh....

Seriously - as you already know coming from those Navies, there is a lot to be said for "the hunt"... Keep the Krieg spirit going - and one will find it's way to you...

Best to you Tom...!!!!

Pete Ebbink · 02-09-2004, 03:34 PM

Hello Tom A.,

Hope you do not mind this teasing on my part...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...5&category=585

Odd way to back into an HK collection...most of us buy the pistol first...hee, hee, hee...!!!

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Navy · 02-09-2004, 05:28 PM

Hi Pete,

Nah, you don't *quite* get it...buy all the accessories as soon as you decide what field you are going into, because sure as God made little green apples, once you buy the gun, the accessories will dry up completely.

Tom A

Pete Ebbink · 02-09-2004, 05:51 PM

Actually Tom,

..I really do...Just pulling your chain...

You should see how many minty holsters I have that are sitting empty and I must have 30 magazines now that do not have a gun to keep them company...figured the gun is probably the easiest part...some of this stuff will be trading stock, but others will be core parts of my little, increasing collection...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

brucew · 02-16-2004, 07:33 PM

Tom, It would be interresting to know what a "complete" collection of Navies is, at least from your perspective. Congratulations on a formidable task well done.

Bruce

Navy · 02-16-2004, 09:57 PM

Hi Bruce,

My definition of "complete" is one of each year and, in the case of property marks, a representative sampling per year, of all that were produced from 1904 through 1972. There will be, of course, some property marks that do not appear in my collection as time and money are finite commodities.

I am missing a few of the odd property marks and a couple of late Kreigsmarine guns,which should be relatively easy to acquire, but otherwise, I have the rest, all in at least 95% plus. It has not been easy or cheap but it has been fun getting here. The holsters have ben harder to score than the guns, FWIW.

Tom A.

John D. · 02-16-2004, 10:57 PM

Hi Tom....

Well, to get you off on Kriegs, here is a similiar list of "types" and variations....

G - 1 variation
S - 3 variations
36 - 1 variation
1936 - 1 variation
1937 - 1 variation
1938 - 1 variation
1940 - 1 variation
1941 - 1 variation
1942 - 1 variation
1943 - 1 variation
1944 - 2 variations
1945 - 1 variation
Postwar - 4 variations
Presentation - 1 variation
Commercial (all years) - 3 variations

Now - above those, you can start collecting HK RIGS. What I'm focused on are "HK" proofed RIGS with verified shoulder holsters, rather then just the "run of the mill" HK RIGS....

Aren't Kriegs great???!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

(Oh - BTW - check your PMs, OK? I replied to yours earlier..... Thanks!)

02-06-2004, 04:18 PM	#1
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	Kriegs on Gunbroker.... Well - Pete got me in the mood to go to Gunbroker and see if I can get e-mails about HKs.. No luck there - BUT - there are 2 HKs up for auction.... 1943 Krieghoff (click here) and 1937 Krieg (click here) No affiliation, yada, yada....

02-06-2004, 11:57 PM	#5
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02-07-2004, 09:06 AM	#6
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Tom A: <strong>All, As my Navy collection is nearing completion, I have decided to move into Kriegs..aftter all, they have that anchor thing-gee on them.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva"><img border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" title="" src="graemlins/bigok.gif" /> OUTSTANDING!!! ( I hope you are serious..!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> The Krieg community would welcome an avid and astute collector such as yourself - at least I would..!!! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

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02-06-2004, 09:02 PM	#2
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	John, these are two nice Krieghoffs! The 1943 one is up for auction from George Anderson who we can all trust 1000%. Did you notice that the "1943" over the chamber is uneven and perhaps hand stamped. Was this customary for later Krieghoffs? The other specimen, 1937, is from "docholl" who appears to be a local northern Californian. There is no reserve! This piece can be picked up "for a song" as they say. Would like to see what else he has.

02-06-2004, 10:11 PM	#3
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	Hey Doc, I agree with you - both are excellent examples. While the 1943 mag looks like an overstamp (as George is aware of), it is properly proofed. As for the 1943 Chamber Date - yes - it is absolutely correct and follows the pattern with the "4" and the "3". While there were variances given the holder for the die striker/retainer piece to piece, most chamber dates follow a tell tale pattern of the numerals, their set and relation to the baseline. As for the 1937 - if I didn't have one - I'd be bidding on this piece. I don't know the seller, so I hope the prospective buyers ask for some detail pics. Without a reserve, it can probably be acquired for less then the current dealer retail pricing - unless the "bidding frenzy" takes hold....

02-06-2004, 11:47 PM	#4
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	All, As my Navy collection is nearing completion, I have decided to move into Kriegs..aftter all, they have that anchor thing-gee on them. Will keep the forum posted as to my successes, frustrations and failures in this endeavor. Tom A.

02-07-2004, 04:05 PM	#7
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 164 Times in 87 Posts	Hi Guys, I would like to echo your comments regarding George!! He is an upright guy and my dealings with him have been great. I already told him that if I were an Anchor Type, I'd be bidding on that Krieg!! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

02-07-2004, 05:31 PM	#8
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	Hey Frank..!!! I agree...!!! BTW - that 1943 is outstanding.... I hope it goes to a terrific collector - as it deserves....

02-07-2004, 09:12 PM	#9
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	That collector is gonna be me! Actually, as someone who spent 17+ years as a military flyer, I actually relate to Kriegs personally more than I do to Navy guns. So, off we go into the world of kriegs... Tom A.

02-07-2004, 09:32 PM	#10
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	OUTSTANDING!!!!! That is absolutely a terrific cornerstone piece for a Krieg collection, Tom... Congratulations!! I watched as that auction closed down - and had no idea who the buyer was at that time... I corresponded with George some time back about that particuliar piece (see this Krieg Forum some time ago). Welcome to the Krieghoff world Tom - with a grande entrance... Simply outstanding.... !!!!! <img border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" title="" src="graemlins/bigok.gif" />

02-07-2004, 10:48 PM	#11
Frank H User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: N. FL Posts: 90 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	With Tom A hot on the trail of new Kriegs, we'll no doubt be seeing alot of good stuff. I'm sure you made George happy! Good hunting! Frank H

02-08-2004, 06:11 PM	#12
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Well, %##@@!!, Before George got the auction shut down, someone bought it out from under me. Sigh.. Will start this hunt with determination. Tom A.

02-08-2004, 10:12 PM	#13
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	Well - no problem!!! 1943's come up for sale every 3 or 4 years.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Heh.... Seriously - as you already know coming from those Navies, there is a lot to be said for "the hunt"... Keep the Krieg spirit going - and one will find it's way to you... Best to you Tom...!!!!

02-09-2004, 03:34 PM	#14
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello Tom A., Hope you do not mind this teasing on my part... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...5&category=585 Odd way to back into an HK collection...most of us buy the pistol first...hee, hee, hee...!!! Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

02-09-2004, 05:28 PM	#15
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Hi Pete, Nah, you don't quite get it...buy all the accessories as soon as you decide what field you are going into, because sure as God made little green apples, once you buy the gun, the accessories will dry up completely. Tom A

02-09-2004, 05:51 PM	#16
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Actually Tom, ..I really do...Just pulling your chain... You should see how many minty holsters I have that are sitting empty and I must have 30 magazines now that do not have a gun to keep them company...figured the gun is probably the easiest part...some of this stuff will be trading stock, but others will be core parts of my little, increasing collection... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

02-16-2004, 07:33 PM	#17
brucew User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Port Townsend, WA Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Tom, It would be interresting to know what a "complete" collection of Navies is, at least from your perspective. Congratulations on a formidable task well done. Bruce

02-16-2004, 09:57 PM	#18
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Hi Bruce, My definition of "complete" is one of each year and, in the case of property marks, a representative sampling per year, of all that were produced from 1904 through 1972. There will be, of course, some property marks that do not appear in my collection as time and money are finite commodities. I am missing a few of the odd property marks and a couple of late Kreigsmarine guns,which should be relatively easy to acquire, but otherwise, I have the rest, all in at least 95% plus. It has not been easy or cheap but it has been fun getting here. The holsters have ben harder to score than the guns, FWIW. Tom A.

02-16-2004, 10:57 PM	#19
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	Hi Tom.... Well, to get you off on Kriegs, here is a similiar list of "types" and variations.... G - 1 variation S - 3 variations 36 - 1 variation 1936 - 1 variation 1937 - 1 variation 1938 - 1 variation 1940 - 1 variation 1941 - 1 variation 1942 - 1 variation 1943 - 1 variation 1944 - 2 variations 1945 - 1 variation Postwar - 4 variations Presentation - 1 variation Commercial (all years) - 3 variations Now - above those, you can start collecting HK RIGS. What I'm focused on are "HK" proofed RIGS with verified shoulder holsters, rather then just the "run of the mill" HK RIGS.... Aren't Kriegs great???!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> (Oh - BTW - check your PMs, OK? I replied to yours earlier..... Thanks!)