Wow! Overpressure Russian Ammo! - Page 2

unspellable · 08-12-2002, 06:25 PM

Bullets rusted to the cases would come under the category of BAD steel bullets.

Roadkill · 08-12-2002, 09:47 PM

Over the years a couple of broomhandles passed through my posession, the gentleman who was running the business where I bought them and the ammo pointedly told me NOT to shoot anything in a broomhandle but 7.63 mauser. This was when they came in from China about 15 years ago, he said he was sending about five a month to a gunsmith for repair because of the 7.62 russian. I listened, never had a problem. But I did blow a nipple through the bill of my hat and bust the mainspring on a black powder rifle cause I wasn't paying attention and double charged it. Running my mouth, put it down to help a buddy with an ignition problem, picked it back up and put in another load. <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" />

RK

Herb · 08-12-2002, 10:43 PM

RK, that reminds me of the time about 1964 or so when I went out shooting with a coworker that had bought a really nice .30 carbine. He did his own reloading and one round he fired did a 'pfffssst' sound, no powder, just primer. I said don't pull the trigger again at the same time that he pulled the trigger, luckily the top of the chamber went straight up and didn't kill one of us. Reloading can definitely be hazardous if one is not really careful. Of course firing a full load into a plugged chamber is not a good idea either.

Thor · 08-14-2002, 11:43 AM

Hey guys, how about weighing each loaded round and any of them weighing less by 1 gr (assumed an underload) or more than 1 gr (assumed an overload) from the average would be thrown away. If the offending ammo is double loaded it would be easy to detect by weight. I guess the other possiblity would be the wrong (faster) powder was used, but if that were the case would all the rounds in a box be overpressure?

Roadkill · 08-14-2002, 03:10 PM

Thor, you are thinking western production and manufacturing sequences. For all we know they produce the rounds by the 500,000, dump them in a hopper, then and pay old ladies and kids $1.50 a day to box them by hand. The way the Wolf .223 is packaged wrapped in brown paper and stapled has to be by hand. I'm pretty sure they aren't using the same methods we do.

RK

AGE · 08-15-2002, 12:28 AM

Guys,

I shot my S&W 3914 today that had the questionable (overpressure??) Silver Bear problem that started this thread. It worked fine digesting Walmart ammo perfectly and some other misc. rounds. I guess there was no permanent damage--I am happy about that.

I then shot up the last of my .45 LC ammo--I'm getting ready to migrate south in a few weeks. Good group, very satisfying.

Then I shot my 1936 Mauser Luger--wow. The sights are tiny and the trigger is heavy and gritty (compared to my good 1911s), but manageable after some tweaking based on a trigger article Hugh E-mailed me awhile back. The first 5 shot group (see the figure if John S. can figure how to post it) measured 1.5 inches, perfectly centered. Love that Walmart ammo. Eat your heart out Thor.

(photo added to this post on 08-16-2002 - JS)

You bet Lugers are accurate if you can align the sights and squeeze the trigger carefully.

unspellable · 08-15-2002, 01:00 AM

If the Russian ammo has a high number of defectives, weighing may or may not detect them. The first blowout we heard of sounded like it might be defective brass rather than overpressure.

John Sabato · 08-16-2002, 04:39 PM

Target photo added to Al Egger's (AGE) post on luger accuracy at his request. See above.

Thor · 08-16-2002, 05:08 PM

Good Shooting AL!!! Nice target!

08-12-2002, 10:43 PM	#23
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	RK, that reminds me of the time about 1964 or so when I went out shooting with a coworker that had bought a really nice .30 carbine. He did his own reloading and one round he fired did a 'pfffssst' sound, no powder, just primer. I said don't pull the trigger again at the same time that he pulled the trigger, luckily the top of the chamber went straight up and didn't kill one of us. Reloading can definitely be hazardous if one is not really careful. Of course firing a full load into a plugged chamber is not a good idea either. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

08-14-2002, 11:43 AM	#24
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Hey guys, how about weighing each loaded round and any of them weighing less by 1 gr (assumed an underload) or more than 1 gr (assumed an overload) from the average would be thrown away. If the offending ammo is double loaded it would be easy to detect by weight. I guess the other possiblity would be the wrong (faster) powder was used, but if that were the case would all the rounds in a box be overpressure? __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

08-15-2002, 12:28 AM	#26
AGE User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 597 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Guys, I shot my S&W 3914 today that had the questionable (overpressure??) Silver Bear problem that started this thread. It worked fine digesting Walmart ammo perfectly and some other misc. rounds. I guess there was no permanent damage--I am happy about that. I then shot up the last of my .45 LC ammo--I'm getting ready to migrate south in a few weeks. Good group, very satisfying. Then I shot my 1936 Mauser Luger--wow. The sights are tiny and the trigger is heavy and gritty (compared to my good 1911s), but manageable after some tweaking based on a trigger article Hugh E-mailed me awhile back. The first 5 shot group (see the figure if John S. can figure how to post it) measured 1.5 inches, perfectly centered. Love that Walmart ammo. Eat your heart out Thor. (photo added to this post on 08-16-2002 - JS) You bet Lugers are accurate if you can align the sights and squeeze the trigger carefully. __________________ Al Eggers (AGE) NRA Life Member

08-16-2002, 04:39 PM	#28
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Target photo added to Al Egger's (AGE) post on luger accuracy at his request. See above. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-16-2002, 05:08 PM	#29
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Good Shooting AL!!! Nice target! __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

08-12-2002, 06:25 PM	#21
unspellable User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 768 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 10 Posts	Bullets rusted to the cases would come under the category of BAD steel bullets.

08-12-2002, 09:47 PM	#22
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Over the years a couple of broomhandles passed through my posession, the gentleman who was running the business where I bought them and the ammo pointedly told me NOT to shoot anything in a broomhandle but 7.63 mauser. This was when they came in from China about 15 years ago, he said he was sending about five a month to a gunsmith for repair because of the 7.62 russian. I listened, never had a problem. But I did blow a nipple through the bill of my hat and bust the mainspring on a black powder rifle cause I wasn't paying attention and double charged it. Running my mouth, put it down to help a buddy with an ignition problem, picked it back up and put in another load. <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" /> RK

08-14-2002, 03:10 PM	#25
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Thor, you are thinking western production and manufacturing sequences. For all we know they produce the rounds by the 500,000, dump them in a hopper, then and pay old ladies and kids $1.50 a day to box them by hand. The way the Wolf .223 is packaged wrapped in brown paper and stapled has to be by hand. I'm pretty sure they aren't using the same methods we do. RK

08-15-2002, 01:00 AM	#27
unspellable User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 768 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 10 Posts	If the Russian ammo has a high number of defectives, weighing may or may not detect them. The first blowout we heard of sounded like it might be defective brass rather than overpressure.