1920 commercial in 9mm? (pics added)

c3006 · 07-10-2010, 08:54 PM

How hard are 1920 commercials in 9mm to come by? I picked up about a 95% one at the gunshow today and noticed Simpson only had 30 cals for sale. Thanks c

There is no rust on this pistol just alot of hard dried brown grease I have not removed yet. thanks c

FNorm · 07-10-2010, 10:05 PM

Is the barrel original? Proofed and witness marked? Some military and police were made in the 1920s

FN

c3006 · 07-10-2010, 10:18 PM

Yes the barrel is proofed wittness marked and serial numbered. It has a 3 7/8" 9mm barrel. All numbers match including grips and has a tin unumbered wood bottom mag. Thanks c

Mike B · 07-10-2010, 10:46 PM

Here is another alphabet commercial in 9mm.

Mike

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...3b5d37c29ce2dd

Edward Tinker · 07-10-2010, 11:18 PM

commericial with ONLY Germany stamped on it, no AE or anything?

Because thousands of alphabet commericials were made in 9mm for army and police (well, barrels swapped out most likely before issue)

MFC · 07-11-2010, 01:03 AM

Clint,
Does it have an s,t, or u suffix? If so it is a 29DWM, and would fit into a range of commercial S#'s that mostly went to military or police, like Ed stated.

c3006 · 07-11-2010, 04:06 AM

It is 1920 chamber dated with no import markings and does not say germany on it anywhere. SN is 7004 with what looks like a n suffix. No police saftey. I will try and post some pics. thanks c

Edward Tinker · 07-11-2010, 05:18 AM

Sounds like a military contract; as the 1920 is likely a date and DWM hadn't gotten whacked yet for making guns; so you see 1920 army and police.

That "n" is in an odd place to me?

Ed

FNorm · 07-11-2010, 10:22 AM

Any proof marks on the right? Can't tell from your pics. 1920s military and police should have E/ArA4 or E/WaA4. An alphabet 'n' series would have been made late 1923 to first half of 1924. This according the Still's Weimar and Early Lugers.

Nice looking piece!

FN

c3006 · 07-11-2010, 10:28 AM

Yes its got the 3 doves on the side I now agree with ED that its a 1920 Military. thanks c

Don M · 07-11-2010, 02:27 PM

DWM produced four series of 1920-dated Lugers for the military and police. They were: no suffix, "a", "b" and "n" suffixes (HWIS p.36). I have no explanation for the "n" series but it definitely exists.

c3006 · 07-11-2010, 07:42 PM

The more I read the more confused I get. The proofs on the right side are three Eagle over ArA4 markings. It would seem to be a 1920 military except for the n suffix. I guess the mystery is why I love these things so much. I just know I cant find anything just like it for sale anywhere. thanks c

Don M · 07-12-2010, 10:27 AM

See also this thread about the n-suffix 1920 DWMs - http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...light=n-suffix. I have recorded quite a few additional examples since that posting.

07-10-2010, 08:54 PM	#1
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	1920 commercial in 9mm? (pics added) How hard are 1920 commercials in 9mm to come by? I picked up about a 95% one at the gunshow today and noticed Simpson only had 30 cals for sale. Thanks c There is no rust on this pistol just alot of hard dried brown grease I have not removed yet. thanks c __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

07-10-2010, 10:05 PM	#2
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Is the barrel original? Proofed and witness marked? Some military and police were made in the 1920s FN Last edited by FNorm; 07-10-2010 at 10:06 PM. Reason: sp

07-10-2010, 10:18 PM	#3
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	Yes the barrel is proofed wittness marked and serial numbered. It has a 3 7/8" 9mm barrel. All numbers match including grips and has a tin unumbered wood bottom mag. Thanks c __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

07-11-2010, 01:03 AM	#6
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Clint, Does it have an s,t, or u suffix? If so it is a 29DWM, and would fit into a range of commercial S#'s that mostly went to military or police, like Ed stated. __________________ Mike C.

07-11-2010, 04:06 AM	#7
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	It is 1920 chamber dated with no import markings and does not say germany on it anywhere. SN is 7004 with what looks like a n suffix. No police saftey. I will try and post some pics. thanks c __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

07-10-2010, 10:46 PM	#4
Mike B Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 979 Thanks: 1 Thanked 271 Times in 99 Posts	Here is another alphabet commercial in 9mm. Mike http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...3b5d37c29ce2dd

07-10-2010, 11:18 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,911 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	commericial with ONLY Germany stamped on it, no AE or anything? Because thousands of alphabet commericials were made in 9mm for army and police (well, barrels swapped out most likely before issue)

07-11-2010, 05:18 AM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,911 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	Sounds like a military contract; as the 1920 is likely a date and DWM hadn't gotten whacked yet for making guns; so you see 1920 army and police. That "n" is in an odd place to me? Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-11-2010, 10:22 AM	#9
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Any proof marks on the right? Can't tell from your pics. 1920s military and police should have E/ArA4 or E/WaA4. An alphabet 'n' series would have been made late 1923 to first half of 1924. This according the Still's Weimar and Early Lugers. Nice looking piece! FN

07-11-2010, 10:28 AM	#10
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	Yes its got the 3 doves on the side I now agree with ED that its a 1920 Military. thanks c __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

07-11-2010, 02:27 PM	#11
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	DWM produced four series of 1920-dated Lugers for the military and police. They were: no suffix, "a", "b" and "n" suffixes (HWIS p.36). I have no explanation for the "n" series but it definitely exists. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

07-11-2010, 07:42 PM	#12
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	The more I read the more confused I get. The proofs on the right side are three Eagle over ArA4 markings. It would seem to be a 1920 military except for the n suffix. I guess the mystery is why I love these things so much. I just know I cant find anything just like it for sale anywhere. thanks c __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

07-12-2010, 10:27 AM	#13
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	See also this thread about the n-suffix 1920 DWMs - http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...light=n-suffix. I have recorded quite a few additional examples since that posting. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com