Thoughts on this 30 cal Beauty

Pistole+Parabellum · 02-09-2014, 09:26 PM

I'd like feedback on this 30cal.. trying to locate in my references, having a hard time.. mental block

Pistole+Parabellum · 02-09-2014, 09:27 PM

its all matching

Pistole+Parabellum · 02-09-2014, 09:41 PM

can I use this type of Ammo? or i should not shoot it?

Edward Tinker · 02-09-2014, 09:51 PM

its a 30 luger (7.65mm luger) - germany is the export marking for coming o the USA

the serial number or at least suffix would help place it...

Pistole+Parabellum · 02-09-2014, 10:02 PM

sorry, missed that one. here it is

Dwight Gruber · 02-09-2014, 11:10 PM

Complements on your excellent photographs. Other correspondents should take note.

--Dwight

rhuff · 02-10-2014, 02:30 PM

I am not familiar with the box of ammo in the middle, but have shot Fiocchi and Remington 30 Luger ammo with no problems.

To me, the photos look like it is a clean commercial Luger. Nothing wrong is jumping out to me. Others will be along, I am sure.

K.Wilhelm · 02-10-2014, 03:15 PM

Good photos. Looks like a pretty nice alphabet Commercial. I have a similar one that I like very much. GT on this forum can fix or replace the wood bottom on your mag. Cheers, KW

spartacus38 · 02-10-2014, 04:05 PM

How much is it?
Bob

alanint · 02-10-2014, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhuff

I am not familiar with the box of ammo in the middle, but have shot Fiocchi and Remington 30 Luger ammo with no problems.

Midway is a company that sells reloading components, among other things. It looks like someone took a box the bullets came in and filled it with the loaded rounds after using the bullets that came in the box.

mrerick · 02-10-2014, 04:37 PM

Hi,

As mentioned it is a DWM Alphabet Commercial made in the 1922-1923 timeframe (5194l in the middle of the "l" block from what I can see).

These were exported from Germany and imported into the USA in fairly large numbers.

They are rust blued, and well made. My first Luger was one of these in the "m" block.

As mentioned, G.T. can restore the base of the magazine. I would probably not shoot it using a wood bottom magazine, but rather find a newer Mecgar.

Looks like you have the correct ammo. .30 Luger.

I personally don't shoot collectible firearms, but less exposure to value loss breaking an unnumbered part on one of these... If you shoot it, consider replacing the springs. Make sure you get the right recoil spring for a .30 Luger. They are different than the ones used in the 9mm Lugers...

Marc

Curss · 02-10-2014, 05:43 PM

Fiocchi has never given me any trouble, and I've shot quite a bit of it through my own DWM .30 Luger.

TheRomanhistorian · 02-10-2014, 11:15 PM

The Fiocchi FMJ is pretty good unless you happen to reload. Their soft pointed ammunition is all right in my .30 Luger, too.

Pistole+Parabellum · 02-12-2014, 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spartacus38

How much is it?
Bob

That's a very good question , What is it'svalue?

Sergio Natali · 02-12-2014, 11:15 AM

Cody,

First of all let me say that it's a beautiful gun, and your photos are really well made.
It's a "commercial" pistol made by DWM in the early 1920, they are not really scarce, and most of them still in good conditions.

Here in Italy a very good one would cost the equivalent of about USD 1,700.00

I had one of them many years ago, and sadly one day I decided to sell it for a vintage 1911.
Not long ago I was tempted to buy another one, then I gave up.

If it is all matching I would not shoot it, but it's your choice after all.
In any case I would have it inspected by a competent armourer before taking it to the range.

Safe shooting.

Sergio

DavidJayUden · 02-12-2014, 11:25 AM

I saw that misterluger has one on GA.com at $1050 or so. And that is retail. I think that a nice one should be had for $900 or so.
dju

02-09-2014, 09:26 PM	#1
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Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	its a 30 luger (7.65mm luger) - germany is the export marking for coming o the USA the serial number or at least suffix would help place it... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

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Pistole+Parabellum User Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 59 Thanks: 236 Thanked 11 Times in 9 Posts	sorry, missed that one. here it is Attached Thumbnails

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Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Complements on your excellent photographs. Other correspondents should take note. --Dwight

02-10-2014, 02:30 PM	#7
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,272 Thanks: 2,692 Thanked 959 Times in 705 Posts	I am not familiar with the box of ammo in the middle, but have shot Fiocchi and Remington 30 Luger ammo with no problems. To me, the photos look like it is a clean commercial Luger. Nothing wrong is jumping out to me. Others will be along, I am sure.

02-10-2014, 03:15 PM	#8
K.Wilhelm User Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: South Central Colorado Posts: 215 Thanks: 45 Thanked 109 Times in 66 Posts	Good photos. Looks like a pretty nice alphabet Commercial. I have a similar one that I like very much. GT on this forum can fix or replace the wood bottom on your mag. Cheers, KW __________________ NRA Endowment Life member Proud veteran of the Naval Security Group

02-10-2014, 04:05 PM	#9
spartacus38 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Lake Tahoe,CA. Posts: 695 Thanks: 0 Thanked 70 Times in 56 Posts	How much is it? Bob

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mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,372 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	Hi, As mentioned it is a DWM Alphabet Commercial made in the 1922-1923 timeframe (5194l in the middle of the "l" block from what I can see). These were exported from Germany and imported into the USA in fairly large numbers. They are rust blued, and well made. My first Luger was one of these in the "m" block. As mentioned, G.T. can restore the base of the magazine. I would probably not shoot it using a wood bottom magazine, but rather find a newer Mecgar. Looks like you have the correct ammo. .30 Luger. I personally don't shoot collectible firearms, but less exposure to value loss breaking an unnumbered part on one of these... If you shoot it, consider replacing the springs. Make sure you get the right recoil spring for a .30 Luger. They are different than the ones used in the 9mm Lugers... Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

02-10-2014, 05:43 PM	#12
Curss User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 303 Thanks: 304 Thanked 98 Times in 75 Posts	Fiocchi has never given me any trouble, and I've shot quite a bit of it through my own DWM .30 Luger.

02-10-2014, 11:15 PM	#13
TheRomanhistorian User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 301 Thanks: 170 Thanked 88 Times in 64 Posts	The Fiocchi FMJ is pretty good unless you happen to reload. Their soft pointed ammunition is all right in my .30 Luger, too. __________________ Michael Nos morituri te salutant - Supposed saying of the gladiators to the emperor ('We, who are about to die, salute you.') 'We are the lantern bearers, my friend; for us to keep something burning, to carry what light we can forward into the darkness and the wind' - From Rosemary Sutcliff's The Lantern Bearers

02-12-2014, 11:15 AM	#15
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Cody, First of all let me say that it's a beautiful gun, and your photos are really well made. It's a "commercial" pistol made by DWM in the early 1920, they are not really scarce, and most of them still in good conditions. Here in Italy a very good one would cost the equivalent of about USD 1,700.00 I had one of them many years ago, and sadly one day I decided to sell it for a vintage 1911. Not long ago I was tempted to buy another one, then I gave up. If it is all matching I would not shoot it, but it's your choice after all. In any case I would have it inspected by a competent armourer before taking it to the range. Safe shooting. Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

02-12-2014, 11:25 AM	#16
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I saw that misterluger has one on GA.com at $1050 or so. And that is retail. I think that a nice one should be had for $900 or so. dju