1900 AE advice

nukem556 · 01-17-2011, 04:09 PM

This 1900 AE is up for sale at what seems an attractive price..... it's described as "all original and possibly unfired". I have big doubts about that description, and I'd bet its refinished, which isnt a big deal to me. It looks like a hot blue, not rust, and seems to be more wear to the grips than the finish. I've written the seller to ask if its all matching numbers and for more pics...no response yet. Obvious blips are the red paint in the safety detent and seeming lack of straw on the safety and extractor....it can be had for 1900.00....what you guys think????

Thor · 01-17-2011, 04:23 PM

Like to see under the safety lever when it is moved to the "red detent" what does the other side look like, should be in the white and the shape of the safety lever when it is in the down position. What does the inside of the receiver forks and mag well look like, bet they are blued. Wow, metal looks in terrific shape, would I like to get my paws on it to restore.

DavidJayUden · 01-17-2011, 04:30 PM

I hope the price is right. I'm seeing mildly rounded edges on the rear corners, and that's a shame. If the mag is genuine Navy, then that's a definite bonus. Matching numbers? Bore?You and Thor need to talk this one out before you throw money at it. Seems like it should be in the $1500 range as is. With the seller describing it as "original and possibly unfired" I'm seeing red flags all over the place...
dju

nukem556 · 01-17-2011, 04:38 PM

Yeah, I already had Thor in mind! pricewise....Simpsons (yeah,I know) is selling 2 different refinished 1900AEs for over 4000.00....ya think I could really find one like this for 1500.00???

Thor, if you look close, I think you can see a sliver of the bare metal under the safety, but I doubt that would neccesarily mean its original.

Thor · 01-17-2011, 04:48 PM

Yeah, not sure about that, but the thumb safety, extractor and toggle lock should be strawed, and they all appear to be salt blued.

nukem556 · 01-17-2011, 05:00 PM

Yeah, Thor ,I'm not wearing rose colored glasses ( I hope) I'm sure it's not original, I'm just wondering what's a good value. I've looked around a LOT at 1900's and I've only seen one below 2500.00 and it was a rust bucket. If there are any out there for 1500.00, point me in that direction!

And gee, we know you could make it purty ;-)

Hugo Borchardt · 01-17-2011, 05:22 PM

This nice restored one just went for $1900 this weekend on AA. I'd keep an eye out. I've seen a few restored ones for $1500-$1750 over the past few months.

http://www.auctionarms.com/Search/Di...Num=10111143.0

Clark

Edward Tinker · 01-17-2011, 09:41 PM

I have one on gunbroker, not restored for around $1900

However, it always appears that folks are looking for 'pretty' guns, which does not translate to original. a heck of a lot of restored 1900's out there.

ed

ed_tinker@hotmail.com

nukem556 · 01-17-2011, 09:47 PM

well, if it has all the parts it was made with, and the metal and bore are in good shape, a well-done reblue wouldnt upset me....would you turn down a 1967 Jaguar XKE at a good price because it had been repainted?

Edward Tinker · 01-18-2011, 12:52 AM

Cars and lugers are totally different to most collectors.

It is acceptable to repaint a classic car, it is NOT okay to reblue to make it look nicer.

For value, once reblued then it is never original again, same reasons an original paint job on a 67 fastback is worth more than a repainted one...

Ed

Ron Wood · 01-18-2011, 12:59 AM

To my eye, the gun that nukem is looking at is in better shape than the one on Auction Arms for $1900 (not a very good "restoration"). But, it sure would be nice if it was a bit cheaper in order to leave some room to have it restored.

cirelaw · 01-18-2011, 07:38 AM

Why would the seller photograph this luger with a yellow hue?

Dwight Gruber · 02-06-2011, 01:14 PM

Asking price is twice too much. Otoh if all the markings on the Navy magazine are present and original the mag alone is worth several hundred dollars.

--Dwight

01-17-2011, 04:09 PM	#1
nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	1900 AE advice This 1900 AE is up for sale at what seems an attractive price..... it's described as "all original and possibly unfired". I have big doubts about that description, and I'd bet its refinished, which isnt a big deal to me. It looks like a hot blue, not rust, and seems to be more wear to the grips than the finish. I've written the seller to ask if its all matching numbers and for more pics...no response yet. Obvious blips are the red paint in the safety detent and seeming lack of straw on the safety and extractor....it can be had for 1900.00....what you guys think???? Attached Thumbnails

01-17-2011, 04:23 PM	#2
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Like to see under the safety lever when it is moved to the "red detent" what does the other side look like, should be in the white and the shape of the safety lever when it is in the down position. What does the inside of the receiver forks and mag well look like, bet they are blued. Wow, metal looks in terrific shape, would I like to get my paws on it to restore. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

01-17-2011, 04:48 PM	#5
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Yeah, not sure about that, but the thumb safety, extractor and toggle lock should be strawed, and they all appear to be salt blued. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

01-17-2011, 05:22 PM	#7
Hugo Borchardt User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 370 Thanks: 338 Thanked 131 Times in 47 Posts	This nice restored one just went for $1900 this weekend on AA. I'd keep an eye out. I've seen a few restored ones for $1500-$1750 over the past few months. http://www.auctionarms.com/Search/Di...Num=10111143.0 Clark __________________ My militaria collection is dedicated to the memory of my Grandfather, Marine Gunnery Sergeant Dave Hill, Jr., wounded in action at The Assault of the Second Marine Division on Betio Island, Tarawa Atoll, 20-23 November, 1943. http://www.tarawa1943.com/pages/casualties%20tarawa.htm

01-17-2011, 09:41 PM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	I have one on gunbroker, not restored for around $1900 However, it always appears that folks are looking for 'pretty' guns, which does not translate to original. a heck of a lot of restored 1900's out there. ed ed_tinker@hotmail.com __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-17-2011, 04:30 PM	#3
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I hope the price is right. I'm seeing mildly rounded edges on the rear corners, and that's a shame. If the mag is genuine Navy, then that's a definite bonus. Matching numbers? Bore?You and Thor need to talk this one out before you throw money at it. Seems like it should be in the $1500 range as is. With the seller describing it as "original and possibly unfired" I'm seeing red flags all over the place... dju

01-17-2011, 04:38 PM	#4
nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	Yeah, I already had Thor in mind! pricewise....Simpsons (yeah,I know) is selling 2 different refinished 1900AEs for over 4000.00....ya think I could really find one like this for 1500.00??? Thor, if you look close, I think you can see a sliver of the bare metal under the safety, but I doubt that would neccesarily mean its original.

01-17-2011, 05:00 PM	#6
nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	Yeah, Thor ,I'm not wearing rose colored glasses ( I hope) I'm sure it's not original, I'm just wondering what's a good value. I've looked around a LOT at 1900's and I've only seen one below 2500.00 and it was a rust bucket. If there are any out there for 1500.00, point me in that direction! And gee, we know you could make it purty ;-)

01-17-2011, 09:47 PM	#9
nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	well, if it has all the parts it was made with, and the metal and bore are in good shape, a well-done reblue wouldnt upset me....would you turn down a 1967 Jaguar XKE at a good price because it had been repainted?

01-18-2011, 12:52 AM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Cars and lugers are totally different to most collectors. It is acceptable to repaint a classic car, it is NOT okay to reblue to make it look nicer. For value, once reblued then it is never original again, same reasons an original paint job on a 67 fastback is worth more than a repainted one... Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-18-2011, 12:59 AM	#11
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	To my eye, the gun that nukem is looking at is in better shape than the one on Auction Arms for $1900 (not a very good "restoration"). But, it sure would be nice if it was a bit cheaper in order to leave some room to have it restored. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-18-2011, 07:38 AM	#12
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Why would the seller photograph this luger with a yellow hue?

02-06-2011, 01:14 PM	#13
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,889 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,281 Times in 423 Posts	Asking price is twice too much. Otoh if all the markings on the Navy magazine are present and original the mag alone is worth several hundred dollars. --Dwight