"Flaming Bomb" Magazine...

Pete Ebbink · 06-28-2007, 12:03 PM

This one has a crack in the wood...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1

cirelaw · 06-29-2007, 04:30 AM

Pete, I was wondering, the mag that came with my test luger has the same lttle crap in the same place, yet I dont recal ever seeing a crack in another mag, Whats up? A possible production defect?

Pete Ebbink · 06-30-2007, 11:53 AM

Eric,

I have seen many cracked wood bottoms...my guess is that it cracks along the grain of the wood when the magazine is dropped...probably dropped empty...

This crack is also in an area where it hsa been drilled through for the retainer pin...so it may be a weaker spot as well.

If a fully-loaded magazine was dropped, I would think you would end up with more severe wood damage...

Hugh · 06-30-2007, 12:35 PM

The seller states that this is a military proof. I believe that this is a standard commercial proof that is also found on the frame and receivers of some early commercial Lugers.

Navy · 06-30-2007, 01:19 PM

You are correct; seller is armed with commonly held, widely believed but absolutely false info.

Tom A

Ron Wood · 06-30-2007, 02:01 PM

Myths are hard to kill.

tenbears · 06-30-2007, 06:33 PM

Speaking of flaming bombs has anybody seen one in front of the receiver/barrel lug like this one?

Ron Wood · 06-30-2007, 07:48 PM

Yes, that is a very common location on Model 1900 Lugers.

tenbears · 06-30-2007, 11:14 PM

Ron,
Thanks for the reply. I have not looked at enough 1900's to know what's common and what is not.

Pete Ebbink · 07-01-2007, 12:04 AM

Dow,

I even have a M1906 M2 Portugese Luger that has this stamping in the front frame well and in front of the receiver lug...

cirelaw · 07-01-2007, 12:23 PM

Ron was one kind of wood was used in all the mags. Was it the same wood used in the grips. Im half Polish, You know how we love our wood, 'The church bells are ringing, The Pollocks are signing, "hey, hey, theres wood in the bay" !!

Ron Wood · 07-01-2007, 05:30 PM

The majority of the grips and magazine bases were made from walnut. A WWI progressed and walnut supplied dwindled, beech (Buchenholz) was substituted, which was still a relatively dense and durable wood but much lighter in color.

Pete Ebbink · 07-03-2007, 11:31 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1

Here is another Kenny (i.e. Revshop) is offering out of Burnsville, MN...

It appears to be nothing more than the typical Swiss '24 Bern magazine with a "flaming bomb" proof added...

It has even been drilled and pinned for a 2nd. retainer pin.

The word "original" is carefully left out of the sales ad on this one...

I guess the buy-it price of ONLY $ 145 could be a tip-off that something is not right...

cirelaw · 07-03-2007, 01:30 PM

Eric here, I commend our resident experts. I know of no other place, site or book written which exhaustivly addresses questions and inquiries available for the mere asking. I know of no other site that thrugh their overseers provie answers, direction and blunt advice. I wish to thank one who has the patience of a Saint, correcting, reinforce and looking out for me, post stroke/coma, my Luger Mentor, Ed Tinker, none other, than my wife, Debbie have provided direction and patience, Thank You, Edward!!

MFC · 07-03-2007, 11:36 PM

Ed,
What are the details you see that makes it a Swiss '24 Bern?
I can't tell the difference betwwen it and a DWM. Probably something obvious, but I don't see it.
Mike C.

Ron Wood · 07-04-2007, 12:05 AM

Mike,
The '24 Swiss observation is by Pete (Ed is another handsome and intelligent member). The noticable step between the bottom of the mag and the "knobs" is the marker for a '24 Swiss. On DWM magazines the transition between the bottom and the knobs is a smooth contour.

MFC · 07-04-2007, 02:32 AM

Sorry Pete,
I definitely missed one obvious detail.

Thanks Ron,
I've seen this step before on a few mag bottoms and wondered about it. Now I know. I just noticed the double pin holes, is that also correct for a Swiss '24 Bern?
Mike C.

Pete Ebbink · 07-04-2007, 10:30 AM

Hi Mike,

No, a' 24 Bern wood mag bottom was held by one retainer pin only...unless it needed some help/repair and a second one was added.

If you compare the shape of the rim of the wood finger knobs on the first eBay offering with the shape of the wood on this 2nd. "revshop" offering, you will see the difference in the shape of the knobs on an early DWM vs. a Bern magazine as well.

The Swiss did double-pin their M1929 Swiss Luger magazine...but the placement of the two holes/pins is in more or a symmetric pattern.

BTW...seeing '24 Bern magazines at guns shows is an interesting surprise...sellers usually assume they are repro's and most of the time price them as such...I have found several cheap...

MFC · 07-04-2007, 07:26 PM

Thanks Pete,
Now I'm straight.
I'll be on the lookout for one of those" cheap repro" mags.

Mike C.

Pete Ebbink · 07-05-2007, 12:07 PM

Mike,

Most of the time you will see a little "pimple" of wood in the center of the finger buttons on the '24 Bern wood mag as well.

Here are a couple of photos of a gun offered for sale at Cabellas that shows this feature well.

06-28-2007, 12:03 PM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	"Flaming Bomb" Magazine... This one has a crack in the wood... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1

06-30-2007, 12:35 PM	#4
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	The seller states that this is a military proof. I believe that this is a standard commercial proof that is also found on the frame and receivers of some early commercial Lugers. __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

06-30-2007, 02:01 PM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	Myths are hard to kill. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-30-2007, 06:33 PM	#7
tenbears User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 370 Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 15 Posts	Speaking of flaming bombs has anybody seen one in front of the receiver/barrel lug like this one? Attached Thumbnails

06-30-2007, 07:48 PM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	Yes, that is a very common location on Model 1900 Lugers. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-29-2007, 04:30 AM	#2
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Pete, I was wondering, the mag that came with my test luger has the same lttle crap in the same place, yet I dont recal ever seeing a crack in another mag, Whats up? A possible production defect?

06-30-2007, 11:53 AM	#3
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Eric, I have seen many cracked wood bottoms...my guess is that it cracks along the grain of the wood when the magazine is dropped...probably dropped empty... This crack is also in an area where it hsa been drilled through for the retainer pin...so it may be a weaker spot as well. If a fully-loaded magazine was dropped, I would think you would end up with more severe wood damage...

06-30-2007, 01:19 PM	#5
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	You are correct; seller is armed with commonly held, widely believed but absolutely false info. Tom A

06-30-2007, 11:14 PM	#9
tenbears User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 370 Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 15 Posts	Ron, Thanks for the reply. I have not looked at enough 1900's to know what's common and what is not.

07-01-2007, 12:04 AM	#10
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Dow, I even have a M1906 M2 Portugese Luger that has this stamping in the front frame well and in front of the receiver lug...

07-01-2007, 12:23 PM	#11
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Ron was one kind of wood was used in all the mags. Was it the same wood used in the grips. Im half Polish, You know how we love our wood, 'The church bells are ringing, The Pollocks are signing, "hey, hey, theres wood in the bay" !!

07-01-2007, 05:30 PM	#12
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	The majority of the grips and magazine bases were made from walnut. A WWI progressed and walnut supplied dwindled, beech (Buchenholz) was substituted, which was still a relatively dense and durable wood but much lighter in color. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-03-2007, 11:31 AM	#13
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1 Here is another Kenny (i.e. Revshop) is offering out of Burnsville, MN... It appears to be nothing more than the typical Swiss '24 Bern magazine with a "flaming bomb" proof added... It has even been drilled and pinned for a 2nd. retainer pin. The word "original" is carefully left out of the sales ad on this one... I guess the buy-it price of ONLY $ 145 could be a tip-off that something is not right...

07-03-2007, 01:30 PM	#14
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Eric here, I commend our resident experts. I know of no other place, site or book written which exhaustivly addresses questions and inquiries available for the mere asking. I know of no other site that thrugh their overseers provie answers, direction and blunt advice. I wish to thank one who has the patience of a Saint, correcting, reinforce and looking out for me, post stroke/coma, my Luger Mentor, Ed Tinker, none other, than my wife, Debbie have provided direction and patience, Thank You, Edward!!

07-03-2007, 11:36 PM	#15
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Ed, What are the details you see that makes it a Swiss '24 Bern? I can't tell the difference betwwen it and a DWM. Probably something obvious, but I don't see it. Mike C. __________________ Mike C.

07-04-2007, 12:05 AM	#16
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	Mike, The '24 Swiss observation is by Pete (Ed is another handsome and intelligent member). The noticable step between the bottom of the mag and the "knobs" is the marker for a '24 Swiss. On DWM magazines the transition between the bottom and the knobs is a smooth contour. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-04-2007, 02:32 AM	#17
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Sorry Pete, I definitely missed one obvious detail. Thanks Ron, I've seen this step before on a few mag bottoms and wondered about it. Now I know. I just noticed the double pin holes, is that also correct for a Swiss '24 Bern? Mike C. __________________ Mike C.

07-04-2007, 10:30 AM	#18
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Mike, No, a' 24 Bern wood mag bottom was held by one retainer pin only...unless it needed some help/repair and a second one was added. If you compare the shape of the rim of the wood finger knobs on the first eBay offering with the shape of the wood on this 2nd. "revshop" offering, you will see the difference in the shape of the knobs on an early DWM vs. a Bern magazine as well. The Swiss did double-pin their M1929 Swiss Luger magazine...but the placement of the two holes/pins is in more or a symmetric pattern. BTW...seeing '24 Bern magazines at guns shows is an interesting surprise...sellers usually assume they are repro's and most of the time price them as such...I have found several cheap...

07-04-2007, 07:26 PM	#19
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Thanks Pete, Now I'm straight. I'll be on the lookout for one of those" cheap repro" mags. Mike C. __________________ Mike C.

07-05-2007, 12:07 PM	#20
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Mike, Most of the time you will see a little "pimple" of wood in the center of the finger buttons on the '24 Bern wood mag as well. Here are a couple of photos of a gun offered for sale at Cabellas that shows this feature well.