Rifle Id Please

Roadkill · 12-31-2005, 09:12 AM

This postcard is dted 29 Nov 1914, states "Brave Hero with Semiautomatic Rifle in Full Battle Ammunition - Cartridge Belt, 2 Holster for Cartridges and Flask Excellent Signed Photo 1914." IF its a semiauto and I don't think it is, what is it? The clips look large for a MN type but the rest looks like a 91.

Thanks

Rk

Lugerdoc · 12-31-2005, 09:24 AM

RK, The uniform looks Slavic (Serb, Russian, etc) to me and I don't see a removable mag, so probably a bolt action. TH

trigger643 · 01-19-2006, 10:45 AM

That is an 1891 Nagant, the soldier appears to be Tzarist Russian, identified by the buckle and hat, Serbs had Winged pocket flaps on the chests of their uniforms during this period. Certainly not Semi-Automatic, rather a 5 round magazine fed bolt action. As for the nationality, I've been wrong before, but I'm almost 18% certain this time.

Ron Smith · 01-19-2006, 10:58 AM

Glen,
I'm about 23% certain that you are 18% certain. So my guess is that you are right.

I'm assertively apprehensive about a large percentage of a small part of the question. So, vote for me this November.

Ron

trigger643 · 01-19-2006, 07:16 PM

thanks Ron. I've raised my compentency for nationality to almost 41% now

Ron Smith · 01-19-2006, 08:44 PM

Herb · 01-19-2006, 09:14 PM

Are you guys sure that's a Nagant, it looks like it has a ramrod sticking out underneath the front of the barrel, and the Nagant has a slot in the forearm for a sling.

Ron Smith · 01-19-2006, 09:26 PM

Herb,

I'm not sure of anything. I'm just agreeing with Glen and Krusty the Clown.

Herb · 01-19-2006, 09:49 PM

LMAO.

trigger643 · 01-20-2006, 08:17 AM

fits right in with the original Model 1891

See.... http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl03-e.htm

Ron Smith · 01-20-2006, 08:25 AM

There ya go Herb...

Glen and Me was right.

trigger643 · 01-20-2006, 09:03 AM

I'm not as wrong as often as my wife and close friends think.... When I'm really wrong, I like to use all caps.

Herb · 01-20-2006, 11:20 AM

Ok, it's a Nagant, just checking.

lundbaek · 02-19-2006, 10:53 PM

It is my understanding that in WW1 the Germans used a semi-automatic rifle designed and/or made in Mexico, called tha Mondragon. I think it had a detachible box magazine, and was used only by early aircraft rear gunners.

Hugh · 02-20-2006, 01:02 AM

I'm 100% sertan hits a sojer wid a gun!

Ron Smith · 02-20-2006, 12:00 PM

Ralph,

You're correct about the Mondragon. See this link.

http://www.cruffler.com/historic-february01.html

12-31-2005, 09:12 AM	#1
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Rifle Id Please This postcard is dted 29 Nov 1914, states "Brave Hero with Semiautomatic Rifle in Full Battle Ammunition - Cartridge Belt, 2 Holster for Cartridges and Flask Excellent Signed Photo 1914." IF its a semiauto and I don't think it is, what is it? The clips look large for a MN type but the rest looks like a 91. Thanks Rk

12-31-2005, 09:24 AM	#2
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	RK, The uniform looks Slavic (Serb, Russian, etc) to me and I don't see a removable mag, so probably a bolt action. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

01-19-2006, 10:45 AM	#3
trigger643 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Murfreesboro Posts: 502 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	That is an 1891 Nagant, the soldier appears to be Tzarist Russian, identified by the buckle and hat, Serbs had Winged pocket flaps on the chests of their uniforms during this period. Certainly not Semi-Automatic, rather a 5 round magazine fed bolt action. As for the nationality, I've been wrong before, but I'm almost 18% certain this time. __________________ "There are three reasons to own a gun: To protect yourself and your family, to hunt dangerous and delicious animals, and to keep the King of England out of your face." Ã¢?? Krusty the Clown

01-19-2006, 10:58 AM	#4
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Glen, I'm about 23% certain that you are 18% certain. So my guess is that you are right. I'm assertively apprehensive about a large percentage of a small part of the question. So, vote for me this November. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

01-19-2006, 07:16 PM	#5
trigger643 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Murfreesboro Posts: 502 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	thanks Ron. I've raised my compentency for nationality to almost 41% now __________________ "There are three reasons to own a gun: To protect yourself and your family, to hunt dangerous and delicious animals, and to keep the King of England out of your face." Ã¢?? Krusty the Clown

01-19-2006, 08:44 PM	#6
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	__________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

01-19-2006, 09:14 PM	#7
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Are you guys sure that's a Nagant, it looks like it has a ramrod sticking out underneath the front of the barrel, and the Nagant has a slot in the forearm for a sling. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

01-19-2006, 09:26 PM	#8
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Herb, I'm not sure of anything. I'm just agreeing with Glen and Krusty the Clown. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

01-19-2006, 09:49 PM	#9
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	LMAO. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

01-20-2006, 08:17 AM	#10
trigger643 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Murfreesboro Posts: 502 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	fits right in with the original Model 1891 See.... http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl03-e.htm __________________ "There are three reasons to own a gun: To protect yourself and your family, to hunt dangerous and delicious animals, and to keep the King of England out of your face." Ã¢?? Krusty the Clown

01-20-2006, 08:25 AM	#11
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	There ya go Herb... Glen and Me was right. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

01-20-2006, 09:03 AM	#12
trigger643 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Murfreesboro Posts: 502 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	I'm not as wrong as often as my wife and close friends think.... When I'm really wrong, I like to use all caps. __________________ "There are three reasons to own a gun: To protect yourself and your family, to hunt dangerous and delicious animals, and to keep the King of England out of your face." Ã¢?? Krusty the Clown

01-20-2006, 11:20 AM	#13
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Ok, it's a Nagant, just checking. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

02-19-2006, 10:53 PM	#14
lundbaek User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mesa, Arizona Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	It is my understanding that in WW1 the Germans used a semi-automatic rifle designed and/or made in Mexico, called tha Mondragon. I think it had a detachible box magazine, and was used only by early aircraft rear gunners.

02-20-2006, 01:02 AM	#15
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	I'm 100% sertan hits a sojer wid a gun! __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

02-20-2006, 12:00 PM	#16
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Ralph, You're correct about the Mondragon. See this link. http://www.cruffler.com/historic-february01.html __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...