Fleur de Lys marked lugers - Page 3

LugerVern · 03-16-2011, 03:46 AM

Please take a hard look of the "Crown B & Crown U" on the carbine.

They are not correct, and no matter how you shake it, they are still not correct.

I think I will stop looking at this gun now, as I do actually like them and I think I have gone far enough to make my point.

Vern

drbuster · 03-16-2011, 08:01 PM

Vern, It's kind of sad to read your comments. I certainly feel if you could hold these pieces and take a good look, your comments would be different. The remarks about the C/B and C/U proofs are very vague and imply you know something that is just not there. These proofs matched perfectly with three other commercial early lugers when compared side by side. This set will be at the future Reno and Las Vegas shows. I humbly suggest that you consider a vacation to see these lugers in person. I'm sure, if you do, you will agree that the crests are NOT engraved, nor are there any other concerns about either of these beautiful lugers.

cirelaw · 03-19-2011, 01:06 PM

Here is the underside of the proofs on the 1906 'French' luger. It was next to impossible to photograch these faint proofs

Mauser720 · 03-20-2011, 07:28 AM

So the barrel witness marks do not line up, or is that just the way the light affected the picture?

drbuster · 03-20-2011, 07:44 AM

Ron, keep in mind that Eric's photos are NOT of the two Fleur de Lys lugers depicted in the box above. They are a 1900 and 1902 carbine. Eric's photo is of a 1906 commercial. The witness marks aligned perfectly on the two lugers depicted in this thread.

Mauser720 · 03-20-2011, 07:48 AM

Oops! Sorry - Thank you!

cirelaw · 03-21-2011, 04:01 PM

I must have taken over 20 pics inside and out. They have the cloudy affect but are exactly as shown in the book. Kenyan page 38 B U G German commercial receiver proof found on some 7.65 m/m, and 1906 commercial lugers. Thank You for your clarfiication! Merci Beaucoup...

RVC · 03-23-2011, 08:35 AM

the mark of "manufacture d'armes et cycles de st Etienne" is MF xxx
You can find today on weapons neutralized in "manufacture d'armes et cycles de st Etienne" the mark AN xxx

RVC · 03-23-2011, 08:38 AM

sorry it is " MANUFACTURE FRANCAISE D'ARMES ET CYCLES DE ST ETIENNE

03-19-2011, 01:06 PM	#43
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Here is the underside of the proofs on the 1906 'French' luger. It was next to impossible to photograch these faint proofs Attached Thumbnails

03-20-2011, 07:28 AM	#44
Mauser720 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 535 Thanks: 18 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	So the barrel witness marks do not line up, or is that just the way the light affected the picture? __________________ Mauser720 - Ron "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it."

03-20-2011, 07:48 AM	#46
Mauser720 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 535 Thanks: 18 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	Oops! Sorry - Thank you! __________________ Mauser720 - Ron "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it."

03-23-2011, 08:35 AM	#48
RVC User Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: france near grenoble Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	fleur de lys the mark of "manufacture d'armes et cycles de st Etienne" is MF xxx You can find today on weapons neutralized in "manufacture d'armes et cycles de st Etienne" the mark AN xxx

03-23-2011, 08:38 AM	#49
RVC User Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: france near grenoble Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	fleur de lys sorry it is " MANUFACTURE FRANCAISE D'ARMES ET CYCLES DE ST ETIENNE Attached Images

03-16-2011, 03:46 AM	#41
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	Please take a hard look of the "Crown B & Crown U" on the carbine. They are not correct, and no matter how you shake it, they are still not correct. I think I will stop looking at this gun now, as I do actually like them and I think I have gone far enough to make my point. Vern

03-16-2011, 08:01 PM	#42
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Vern, It's kind of sad to read your comments. I certainly feel if you could hold these pieces and take a good look, your comments would be different. The remarks about the C/B and C/U proofs are very vague and imply you know something that is just not there. These proofs matched perfectly with three other commercial early lugers when compared side by side. This set will be at the future Reno and Las Vegas shows. I humbly suggest that you consider a vacation to see these lugers in person. I'm sure, if you do, you will agree that the crests are NOT engraved, nor are there any other concerns about either of these beautiful lugers.

03-20-2011, 07:44 AM	#45
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Ron, keep in mind that Eric's photos are NOT of the two Fleur de Lys lugers depicted in the box above. They are a 1900 and 1902 carbine. Eric's photo is of a 1906 commercial. The witness marks aligned perfectly on the two lugers depicted in this thread.

03-21-2011, 04:01 PM	#47
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I must have taken over 20 pics inside and out. They have the cloudy affect but are exactly as shown in the book. Kenyan page 38 B U G German commercial receiver proof found on some 7.65 m/m, and 1906 commercial lugers. Thank You for your clarfiication! Merci Beaucoup...