PROBLEM WITH Artillery LUGER

Henry Bucki · 11-16-2003, 09:42 PM

W e bought a double dated 1914 1920 erfurt i tried reloads as well as factory loads, toggle would not reseat completly after each round.I had to slap it in place with my hand. I only had with me the mag that came with the gun.Does any body have any thoughts, I have a p08 that works great can you switch parts until it will operate or do they not interchange? THANKS <img border="0" alt="[oops]" title="" src="graemlins/oops.gif" />

Sieger · 11-17-2003, 12:02 AM

Henry:

Have you cleaned and oiled your pistol, thoroughly removing all of the old gunk from it?

If so, one of the "experts" out there probably shortened your main spring, in an attempt to get it to function with the fast burning powders used to load current commercial ammo.

We have several qualified Smiths on this forum that can check your pistol out and replace the main spring if it needs it.

Sieger

PS: DON'T FIRE THE PISTOL AGAIN UNTIL IT HAS BEEN REPAIRED!!!

Henry Bucki · 11-17-2003, 07:09 PM

Thanx my son told me not to fire it also, but when you say main spring are you talking about the spring behind the grip, or that tiny spring behind the firing pin? Oh yes we did clean it.

Thor · 11-17-2003, 07:54 PM

The mainspring is in the frame between the grips.

Henry Bucki · 11-28-2003, 06:52 PM

I have ordered a new spring repair kit from wolff is the main spring very hard to replace?

Thor · 11-28-2003, 09:28 PM

Henry, take at look at this tutorial for main spring changing! Hope it helps you! Thor
CLICK HERE FOR Thor's Guide to Main spring installation

Henry Bucki · 12-04-2003, 06:25 PM

Hello Thor
I got my wolff replacement springs ,followed your instructions but am having one small problem. When the spring is on the spring guide and i push it up to lock some of the new spring is able to get inside along with the hook on the guide .just a samll amount but this is just enought from keeping the guide from turning to its final location,I have taken apart and tried opening one spring round with a pair of snap ring pliers,Better but,has any body had this problem?

Roadkill · 12-04-2003, 07:37 PM

Sure have. Try reversing the spring to see if the other end is larger, if not you can also stretch one end larger by forcing it down on something tapered like a nail set/punch. Too much is, well, too much. Good part is that unless you are in the repair business you won't be doing this real often.

rk

Henry Bucki · 12-04-2003, 10:44 PM

Finaly got it .used a very small allen wrench laid it in place where the spring first passes thru grip frame. after i had spring locked in place i withdrew it and no part of spring was able to get wedged into slot where hook on spring guide was suppose to be .Boy are my fingers worn out!!!!!!!

John Sabato · 12-05-2003, 10:52 AM

Congrats! A major job for a rookie! At least you shouldn't have to do this more than once a generation

Henry Bucki · 12-06-2003, 12:52 PM

Also found that a small piece of wood wedged in place in the frame grip area near where you would insert the magazine gives you a resting place that helps hold the sring guide and spirng under pressure in place while you are getting your second wind.Has to be a tight fit, (the wood that is)

Henry Bucki · 12-31-2003, 09:29 PM

Went to the range today and boy was i proud of myself. worked great thanks for the help

11-16-2003, 09:42 PM	#1
Henry Bucki User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Marietta Ga Posts: 43 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	PROBLEM WITH Artillery LUGER W e bought a double dated 1914 1920 erfurt i tried reloads as well as factory loads, toggle would not reseat completly after each round.I had to slap it in place with my hand. I only had with me the mag that came with the gun.Does any body have any thoughts, I have a p08 that works great can you switch parts until it will operate or do they not interchange? THANKS <img border="0" alt="[oops]" title="" src="graemlins/oops.gif" />

11-17-2003, 07:54 PM	#4
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	The mainspring is in the frame between the grips. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

11-28-2003, 09:28 PM	#6
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Henry, take at look at this tutorial for main spring changing! Hope it helps you! Thor CLICK HERE FOR Thor's Guide to Main spring installation __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

12-05-2003, 10:52 AM	#10
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Congrats! A major job for a rookie! At least you shouldn't have to do this more than once a generation __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

11-17-2003, 12:02 AM	#2
Sieger User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,575 Thanks: 2,124 Thanked 400 Times in 249 Posts	Henry: Have you cleaned and oiled your pistol, thoroughly removing all of the old gunk from it? If so, one of the "experts" out there probably shortened your main spring, in an attempt to get it to function with the fast burning powders used to load current commercial ammo. We have several qualified Smiths on this forum that can check your pistol out and replace the main spring if it needs it. Sieger PS: DON'T FIRE THE PISTOL AGAIN UNTIL IT HAS BEEN REPAIRED!!!

11-17-2003, 07:09 PM	#3
Henry Bucki User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Marietta Ga Posts: 43 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanx my son told me not to fire it also, but when you say main spring are you talking about the spring behind the grip, or that tiny spring behind the firing pin? Oh yes we did clean it.

11-28-2003, 06:52 PM	#5
Henry Bucki User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Marietta Ga Posts: 43 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have ordered a new spring repair kit from wolff is the main spring very hard to replace?

12-04-2003, 06:25 PM	#7
Henry Bucki User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Marietta Ga Posts: 43 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello Thor I got my wolff replacement springs ,followed your instructions but am having one small problem. When the spring is on the spring guide and i push it up to lock some of the new spring is able to get inside along with the hook on the guide .just a samll amount but this is just enought from keeping the guide from turning to its final location,I have taken apart and tried opening one spring round with a pair of snap ring pliers,Better but,has any body had this problem?

12-04-2003, 07:37 PM	#8
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Sure have. Try reversing the spring to see if the other end is larger, if not you can also stretch one end larger by forcing it down on something tapered like a nail set/punch. Too much is, well, too much. Good part is that unless you are in the repair business you won't be doing this real often. rk

12-04-2003, 10:44 PM	#9
Henry Bucki User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Marietta Ga Posts: 43 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Finaly got it .used a very small allen wrench laid it in place where the spring first passes thru grip frame. after i had spring locked in place i withdrew it and no part of spring was able to get wedged into slot where hook on spring guide was suppose to be .Boy are my fingers worn out!!!!!!!

12-06-2003, 12:52 PM	#11
Henry Bucki User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Marietta Ga Posts: 43 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Also found that a small piece of wood wedged in place in the frame grip area near where you would insert the magazine gives you a resting place that helps hold the sring guide and spirng under pressure in place while you are getting your second wind.Has to be a tight fit, (the wood that is)

12-31-2003, 09:29 PM	#12
Henry Bucki User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Marietta Ga Posts: 43 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Went to the range today and boy was i proud of myself. worked great thanks for the help