What Units Typically had Krieghoff?

Malcolm P. · 09-27-2004, 03:26 PM

Understand that most went to the Luftwaffe. Does that means not just flyers but also Fallshimjer and Herman Goering Panzer Div? Any other units typically?

John D. · 09-27-2004, 07:14 PM

Hi Malcom..!

Great question...! First - the HK contract, as you note - was for the "Luftwaffe". During the course of the war, that branch included: Air Units, FallschirmjÃ?Â¤ger (paratroopers), Field Divisions (that's a LONG story! But they initially were not associated with the Heer (Army) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> ), Herman GÃ?Â¶ring Division, anti-aircraft units, communications, security and engineering. It's my recollection that the Luftwaffe also had their own naval vessels (different then the Kriegsmarine (Navy)..

As for Krieghoff production, there are not any records that I've stumbled on that would conclude that HKs went to specific Luftwaffe units as priority over others - but based on Luftwaffe staffing during peak HK production years, it may be reasonible to conclude that that most were sent to: FallschirmjÃ?Â¤ger, Air/support units and anti-aircraft units - as those, I believe, had the greatest enrollments during that period...

Best to you,

John

Lugerdoc · 10-05-2004, 10:20 AM

Malcomb, More than number of personnel should be considered here. Luftwaffe units stationed on the ground (AAW batteries, base security, etc) had a greater potential need for small arms than flight crews. Flying personnel would only need small arms if they were shot down, and the most of the time they did not survive the crash. So most enlisted flight personnel were issued non-German made pistols (FN22s, CZ27s, Femaru P37s, etc) and as in the Army, officers were responcible for purchasing they own pistol, so just about anything was possible there (eg. H. Goering's S&W M&P Revolver). TH

GunCat · 10-23-2004, 09:01 PM

I think others (than the luftwaffe) got ahold of Kreighoff out of surplus. But I could be wrong.

GunCat · 10-23-2004, 09:01 PM

<img border="0" alt="[cherrsagai]" title="" src="graemlins/drink.gif" /> I heard a rumor, no doubt false, that Kreighoff's were given to people of higher rank in other forces due to superior finish.

John D. · 10-23-2004, 09:34 PM

Hi GunCat,

No - there is no valid data - or in fact, *any research* - to substantiate that rumor, but I've also heard the same over almost 20 years of specializing in HKs. Unfortunately, it falls into the same category as all Lugers were captured from a German General with the initials "DWM"....

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Best to you,

John

09-27-2004, 03:26 PM	#1
Malcolm P. User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 57 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	What Units Typically had Krieghoff? Understand that most went to the Luftwaffe. Does that means not just flyers but also Fallshimjer and Herman Goering Panzer Div? Any other units typically?

10-05-2004, 10:20 AM	#3
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Malcomb, More than number of personnel should be considered here. Luftwaffe units stationed on the ground (AAW batteries, base security, etc) had a greater potential need for small arms than flight crews. Flying personnel would only need small arms if they were shot down, and the most of the time they did not survive the crash. So most enlisted flight personnel were issued non-German made pistols (FN22s, CZ27s, Femaru P37s, etc) and as in the Army, officers were responcible for purchasing they own pistol, so just about anything was possible there (eg. H. Goering's S&W M&P Revolver). TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

10-23-2004, 09:01 PM	#4
GunCat User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I think others (than the luftwaffe) got ahold of Kreighoff out of surplus. But I could be wrong. __________________ P.08 Luger (Mauser, 1940) Others: Beretta 92FS, Mosin Nagant 91/30, Mauser M48, Beretta 3032

10-23-2004, 09:01 PM	#5
GunCat User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	<img border="0" alt="[cherrsagai]" title="" src="graemlins/drink.gif" /> I heard a rumor, no doubt false, that Kreighoff's were given to people of higher rank in other forces due to superior finish. __________________ P.08 Luger (Mauser, 1940) Others: Beretta 92FS, Mosin Nagant 91/30, Mauser M48, Beretta 3032

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09-27-2004, 07:14 PM	#2
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	Hi Malcom..! Great question...! First - the HK contract, as you note - was for the "Luftwaffe". During the course of the war, that branch included: Air Units, FallschirmjÃ?Â¤ger (paratroopers), Field Divisions (that's a LONG story! But they initially were not associated with the Heer (Army) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> ), Herman GÃ?Â¶ring Division, anti-aircraft units, communications, security and engineering. It's my recollection that the Luftwaffe also had their own naval vessels (different then the Kriegsmarine (Navy).. As for Krieghoff production, there are not any records that I've stumbled on that would conclude that HKs went to specific Luftwaffe units as priority over others - but based on Luftwaffe staffing during peak HK production years, it may be reasonible to conclude that that most were sent to: FallschirmjÃ?Â¤ger, Air/support units and anti-aircraft units - as those, I believe, had the greatest enrollments during that period... Best to you, John

10-23-2004, 09:34 PM	#6
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	Hi GunCat, No - there is no valid data - or in fact, any research - to substantiate that rumor, but I've also heard the same over almost 20 years of specializing in HKs. Unfortunately, it falls into the same category as all Lugers were captured from a German General with the initials "DWM".... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Best to you, John