Unbelievable

SteveM · 12-03-2009, 03:26 PM

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIte...Item=148297307

Ice · 12-03-2009, 04:45 PM

Its obvious that somwbody wants that pistol badly. However, it does come with box and papers, a holster and belt and is brand new. Sounds like a lot of maney but I have seen a couple of Modern Mauser Lugers without any accessories sitting on tables with the dealer wanting $1200 - $1400.

Charlie

SteveM · 12-03-2009, 05:57 PM

I had considered bidding when it was at about 1200 but when I looked at it and it was at 16 I couldn't believe it. I should have been buying all of these that i could several years ago.

Vlim · 12-03-2009, 06:46 PM

These are real sleepers, especially the ones with all their original accessories, box, papers, etc...

Advice of a lifetime: NEVER throw the box away.

Ice · 12-03-2009, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlim

These are real sleepers, especially the ones with all their original accessories, box, papers, etc...

Advice of a lifetime: NEVER throw the box away.

Amen to both statements. Especially desirable in 9mm.

Charlie

sheepherder · 12-04-2009, 07:04 AM

I'm a little puzzled here, Steve...I saw your post and thought I'd wait and see what others said...but the replies still didn't clear up my confusion...

Do you think this is overpriced or underpriced??? (Talking about the price when you posted your thread; not what it may be now). I have no opinion on the matter, as I have no idea what it may really be worth...

21 bids so far...20 by the same guy...6 hours left...reserve met...

zinfull · 12-04-2009, 11:33 AM

Over priced. You should be able to pick this up for $1100+. Nothing special about this one.

jerry

sheepherder · 12-04-2009, 05:59 PM

Sold for $1600...To the 21st bidder...(There were only two)...Guess he wanted it bad...

alvin · 12-04-2009, 07:13 PM

Probably the bidder is also from California. Many sellers have "If you live in CA, please don't bid" clause in the text. If the seller is in that state, there is no such requirement. I bet it's a gun cycling inside the system. Under that assumption, this pre-Lehman-Brothers-crashing price makes much more sense.

saab-bob · 12-05-2009, 03:34 PM

Alvin

Your statement is correct.
This gun could not be imported to CA as it is not a C & R gun and is not on the current approved list of pistols that can be sold in CA. At this time there are no Mauser pistols on the approved list.That is why new guns sold in CA are limited to major gun makers. Not everyone wants to pay to have their guns "tested for safety" by the CA DOJ. A Mauser Parabellum would need a magazine safety and to pass the "drop test",even if someone paid the money for the official test.

I was recently trying to purchase a used Walther PPK/S that was originally designed to be sold in CA,no joy. The current stainless steel version is on the list,but the identical gun in steel is not.
If if I want one bad enough, I have to find a used one already in CA and pay whatever it takes.

Bob

zinfull · 12-05-2009, 04:27 PM

That style may not on the C&R but the Swiss style is OK to import. I personally think that all 1970 Interarms are importable as C&R.

jerry

Conny · 12-06-2009, 12:58 PM

I've seen the Swiss style Luger sell between $1200-$1400 with box. To my knowledge, the 08 frame is harder to find and does command a higher price. I think it's worth the money paid considering everything that comes with it. As a collector, unfired in box with accessories always costs more. If I had the extra funds, I would have bought it.

Ones mans trash is another mans treasure.

HisSoldier · 01-27-2010, 09:16 PM

The truth is that the marketplace sets the price.

alterfritz · 01-30-2010, 08:13 PM

That's weird. I live in California and bought a 6" Mauser Luger about a year ago, I paid $1200. The seller told me it's a C&R and I could transfer it through my FFL dealer without a problem. What's the deal with that?

alvin · 01-30-2010, 09:13 PM

I guess it's not because he could not find a $1200 one if he keeps searching, it's because he does not want to wait or burn gas running here and there looking for it anymore. Maybe one day you sell it, it's tag at $1200 better price, first, he may not see it, second, even if he sees it, that gun does not neccessarily fall into his pocket. If he could take another attitude, say, "no matter where it goes, I can imagine it's mine", then life become much easier.

Just kidding. German style grip does demand a little bit more premium.

===

BTW, why do people want to pay $$ to hold a gun in safe, seldomly see anyone taking the above mentioned better attitude

sheepherder · 01-31-2010, 09:14 AM

There are some of us who do not have a lot of time left, and if we see something we have always desired, and it is within our reach, then we will go for it, regardless whether it is a good deal or overpriced...

alvin · 01-31-2010, 09:24 AM

Once I read in this forum, one collector wanted a Borchardt 50 years ago, and waited 50 years to get it. Unusual, isn't it?

It took a while to find what's correct on Borchardt. In dark age, that's hard because so few guns exist for comparing (I bet there were not many of those even 50 years ago, not many were made at the beginning). Study and wait 50 years is very responsible way, but there is a problem, what's the price of Borchardt 50 years earlier, and 50 years later.... waiting this good 50 years, the price of this gun has been gradually pumped into five digits.

Of course, this one is not Borchardt, and unlikely will become a Borchardt level gun.

alterfritz · 02-01-2010, 12:50 AM

No what I meant was not the price but the C&R stuff

saab-bob was probably wrong when he wrote that Mauser Lugers are not C&R here in california, how else was I able to transfer it through a dealer?

Aaron · 02-01-2010, 11:19 AM

I expect that your dealer didn't know the difference between a Swiss style and a Mauser style Luger. Most non-collectors are not aware of the difference.

saab-bob · 02-01-2010, 07:56 PM

To Alterfritz et all

Trying to make sure that I post only factual info. I had a conversation with a nice man at the California Dept of Justice.

I am pleased to report that I was wrong.

If a handgun is on the Federal Curio and Relic list and it is not over 50 years old,it is still OK to import it into CA. Assuming all other criteria has been met.
After reviewing the Federal Curio and Relic list,it says that Mauser Parabellums manufactured from 1970 to 1978 are
C & R guns.

Sorry for the confusion.Thats what I get for talking to a so called "expert" and not checking for myself.

Trying to keep up with CA gun laws is such a joy!

Bob

12-03-2009, 03:26 PM	#1
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	Unbelievable http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIte...Item=148297307

12-05-2009, 03:34 PM	#10
saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	Alvin Your statement is correct. This gun could not be imported to CA as it is not a C & R gun and is not on the current approved list of pistols that can be sold in CA. At this time there are no Mauser pistols on the approved list.That is why new guns sold in CA are limited to major gun makers. Not everyone wants to pay to have their guns "tested for safety" by the CA DOJ. A Mauser Parabellum would need a magazine safety and to pass the "drop test",even if someone paid the money for the official test. I was recently trying to purchase a used Walther PPK/S that was originally designed to be sold in CA,no joy. The current stainless steel version is on the list,but the identical gun in steel is not. If if I want one bad enough, I have to find a used one already in CA and pay whatever it takes. Bob __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"

12-06-2009, 12:58 PM	#12
Conny User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Culpeper, Va. Posts: 279 Thanks: 0 Thanked 26 Times in 13 Posts	I've seen the Swiss style Luger sell between $1200-$1400 with box. To my knowledge, the 08 frame is harder to find and does command a higher price. I think it's worth the money paid considering everything that comes with it. As a collector, unfired in box with accessories always costs more. If I had the extra funds, I would have bought it. Ones mans trash is another mans treasure. __________________ Rangers Lead the Way, Duane Leiker

01-27-2010, 09:16 PM	#13
HisSoldier User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Oregon Coast Posts: 95 Thanks: 1 Thanked 14 Times in 10 Posts	The truth is that the marketplace sets the price. __________________ The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom

02-01-2010, 07:56 PM	#20
saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	To Alterfritz et all Trying to make sure that I post only factual info. I had a conversation with a nice man at the California Dept of Justice. I am pleased to report that I was wrong. If a handgun is on the Federal Curio and Relic list and it is not over 50 years old,it is still OK to import it into CA. Assuming all other criteria has been met. After reviewing the Federal Curio and Relic list,it says that Mauser Parabellums manufactured from 1970 to 1978 are C & R guns. Sorry for the confusion.Thats what I get for talking to a so called "expert" and not checking for myself. Trying to keep up with CA gun laws is such a joy! Bob __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"

12-03-2009, 04:45 PM	#2
Ice User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 552 Thanks: 13 Thanked 69 Times in 57 Posts	Its obvious that somwbody wants that pistol badly. However, it does come with box and papers, a holster and belt and is brand new. Sounds like a lot of maney but I have seen a couple of Modern Mauser Lugers without any accessories sitting on tables with the dealer wanting $1200 - $1400. Charlie

12-03-2009, 05:57 PM	#3
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	I had considered bidding when it was at about 1200 but when I looked at it and it was at 16 I couldn't believe it. I should have been buying all of these that i could several years ago.

12-03-2009, 06:46 PM	#4
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,034 Thanks: 1,020 Thanked 3,882 Times in 1,186 Posts	These are real sleepers, especially the ones with all their original accessories, box, papers, etc... Advice of a lifetime: NEVER throw the box away.

12-04-2009, 07:04 AM	#6
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,440 Times in 2,328 Posts	I'm a little puzzled here, Steve...I saw your post and thought I'd wait and see what others said...but the replies still didn't clear up my confusion... Do you think this is overpriced or underpriced??? (Talking about the price when you posted your thread; not what it may be now). I have no opinion on the matter, as I have no idea what it may really be worth... 21 bids so far...20 by the same guy...6 hours left...reserve met...

12-04-2009, 11:33 AM	#7
zinfull Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sonoma County CA Posts: 240 Thanks: 4 Thanked 32 Times in 15 Posts	Over priced. You should be able to pick this up for $1100+. Nothing special about this one. jerry

12-04-2009, 05:59 PM	#8
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,440 Times in 2,328 Posts	Sold for $1600...To the 21st bidder...(There were only two)...Guess he wanted it bad...

12-04-2009, 07:13 PM	#9
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Probably the bidder is also from California. Many sellers have "If you live in CA, please don't bid" clause in the text. If the seller is in that state, there is no such requirement. I bet it's a gun cycling inside the system. Under that assumption, this pre-Lehman-Brothers-crashing price makes much more sense.

12-05-2009, 04:27 PM	#11
zinfull Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sonoma County CA Posts: 240 Thanks: 4 Thanked 32 Times in 15 Posts	That style may not on the C&R but the Swiss style is OK to import. I personally think that all 1970 Interarms are importable as C&R. jerry

01-30-2010, 08:13 PM	#14
alterfritz User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: California Posts: 63 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	That's weird. I live in California and bought a 6" Mauser Luger about a year ago, I paid $1200. The seller told me it's a C&R and I could transfer it through my FFL dealer without a problem. What's the deal with that?

01-30-2010, 09:13 PM	#15
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	I guess it's not because he could not find a $1200 one if he keeps searching, it's because he does not want to wait or burn gas running here and there looking for it anymore. Maybe one day you sell it, it's tag at $1200 better price, first, he may not see it, second, even if he sees it, that gun does not neccessarily fall into his pocket. If he could take another attitude, say, "no matter where it goes, I can imagine it's mine", then life become much easier. Just kidding. German style grip does demand a little bit more premium. === BTW, why do people want to pay $$ to hold a gun in safe, seldomly see anyone taking the above mentioned better attitude

01-31-2010, 09:14 AM	#16
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,440 Times in 2,328 Posts	There are some of us who do not have a lot of time left, and if we see something we have always desired, and it is within our reach, then we will go for it, regardless whether it is a good deal or overpriced...

01-31-2010, 09:24 AM	#17
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Once I read in this forum, one collector wanted a Borchardt 50 years ago, and waited 50 years to get it. Unusual, isn't it? It took a while to find what's correct on Borchardt. In dark age, that's hard because so few guns exist for comparing (I bet there were not many of those even 50 years ago, not many were made at the beginning). Study and wait 50 years is very responsible way, but there is a problem, what's the price of Borchardt 50 years earlier, and 50 years later.... waiting this good 50 years, the price of this gun has been gradually pumped into five digits. Of course, this one is not Borchardt, and unlikely will become a Borchardt level gun.

02-01-2010, 12:50 AM	#18
alterfritz User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: California Posts: 63 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	No what I meant was not the price but the C&R stuff saab-bob was probably wrong when he wrote that Mauser Lugers are not C&R here in california, how else was I able to transfer it through a dealer?

02-01-2010, 11:19 AM	#19
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	I expect that your dealer didn't know the difference between a Swiss style and a Mauser style Luger. Most non-collectors are not aware of the difference.