American Eagle Proof Survey

Dwight Gruber · 04-17-2004, 03:50 PM

A few days ago I asked a question about 1906 American Eagle proofs, which nobody came up with a convenient answer to. So, I am going to take the bit between my teeth and try to find the answer the long way.

I am collecting data on the proofs found on American Eagle (only) versions of 1900, 1902, and 1906 Lugers. They will be most likely be Crown/BUG, lazy Crown/N, or no proof. Hopefully, the statistics will reveal something about Luger production.

Please post or send me at mailto:dwightg@pacifier.comdwightg@pacifier.com</a> , or Lugerforum Private Message, the year, serial number, and proof (or lack of proof) of any American Eagle Luger you own or observe. I will maintain the confidentiality of all participants. When I eventualy post the results they will be model, serial number, and proof only, with no connection to an individual.

The survey is best served by inclusion of the full serial number, xx's are frustrating and don't allow the statistics to completely focus the results.

I've started the process by searching the online dealer sites, and any other source I could find, which makes this information available. This is why there are some xx serial numbers. The no-serial-numbers also come from dealer sites. The Test Eagle examples are included simply because they were there--I am not trying to duplicate Ron Wood's work, but simply report the samples as they come in.

Also, if you are reporting a 1906AE, please note if it is in .30 cal. or 9mm.

Thanks very much in advance to everyone who chooses to participate.

--Dwight

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American Eagle Proof Survey

1900 AE

nsn no

21xx no
210x no
6761 TE
7050 TE
7431 TE
86xx no
9506 no
109xx no
13452 no
13499 no
148xx no
18903 no
18982 no

1902 AE

1906 AE

nsn BUG
nsn no 9mm
nsn no
nsn c/N 9mm
nsn no
nsn c/N

265xx no 9mm
301xx no
30627 no
311xx no
315xx no
36203 no
38338 no 9mm
45791 BUG
459xx no
51xxx c/N 9mm
632xx c/N
63352 c/N
641xx c/N 9mm
670xx (proofed)

Ron Wood · 04-17-2004, 05:01 PM

Dwight,
The very first 1900 American Eagles probably started at serial number 2002, and according to my records the first 200 or there about had no proof marks other than a Swiss cross proofed barrel. I have sent my very short data base to your "pacifier" email address.
Ron

Vlim · 04-18-2004, 07:24 AM

Hi Dwight,

Nice study. As mentioned earlier, the Crown/N appeared as replacement of the Crown/B/U/G as the result of a changed 1911 proof law.

If I look at your results (without any reference on AE production totals to back me), I would say that the 1911 turnover point must be somewhere between serials 459xx and 51xxx.

It would be very interesting to see more AE serials in that range. I doubt if calibre would have influence on the marking.

jamese · 04-18-2004, 07:45 AM

Dwight,
I sent you my info
thanks for this study

Jim

Ron Wood · 04-20-2004, 11:16 AM

I received confirmation that serial number 2001 is also a 1900 American Eagle. It is a cased presentation piece. No information on what proofs it may have.

I will send you some additional serial numbers and markings by email.

Dog1 · 05-28-2004, 09:07 PM

I have an 02 American Eagle. I'll try to send you an e mail with some information.

Dwight Gruber · 05-28-2004, 09:35 PM

Dog1,

Looking forward to your info. I've expanded the material I'm looking for, check the topic "More American Eagle Proof Survey".

--Dwight

Ida-Alp · 08-17-2004, 07:19 PM

I've just acquired a 1906 AE s/n 48724. BBL proof is crown B/U/G--172,28.. Receiver proof is crown B/U.

Is bbl proofing common or rare?? Thanks Al

04-17-2004, 03:50 PM	#1
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	American Eagle Proof Survey A few days ago I asked a question about 1906 American Eagle proofs, which nobody came up with a convenient answer to. So, I am going to take the bit between my teeth and try to find the answer the long way. I am collecting data on the proofs found on American Eagle (only) versions of 1900, 1902, and 1906 Lugers. They will be most likely be Crown/BUG, lazy Crown/N, or no proof. Hopefully, the statistics will reveal something about Luger production. Please post or send me at mailto:dwightg@pacifier.comdwightg@pacifier.com</a> , or Lugerforum Private Message, the year, serial number, and proof (or lack of proof) of any American Eagle Luger you own or observe. I will maintain the confidentiality of all participants. When I eventualy post the results they will be model, serial number, and proof only, with no connection to an individual. The survey is best served by inclusion of the full serial number, xx's are frustrating and don't allow the statistics to completely focus the results. I've started the process by searching the online dealer sites, and any other source I could find, which makes this information available. This is why there are some xx serial numbers. The no-serial-numbers also come from dealer sites. The Test Eagle examples are included simply because they were there--I am not trying to duplicate Ron Wood's work, but simply report the samples as they come in. Also, if you are reporting a 1906AE, please note if it is in .30 cal. or 9mm. Thanks very much in advance to everyone who chooses to participate. --Dwight ------------------------------------------------- American Eagle Proof Survey 1900 AE nsn no 21xx no 210x no 6761 TE 7050 TE 7431 TE 86xx no 9506 no 109xx no 13452 no 13499 no 148xx no 18903 no 18982 no 1902 AE 1906 AE nsn BUG nsn no 9mm nsn no nsn c/N 9mm nsn no nsn c/N 265xx no 9mm 301xx no 30627 no 311xx no 315xx no 36203 no 38338 no 9mm 45791 BUG 459xx no 51xxx c/N 9mm 632xx c/N 63352 c/N 641xx c/N 9mm 670xx (proofed)

04-17-2004, 05:01 PM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Dwight, The very first 1900 American Eagles probably started at serial number 2002, and according to my records the first 200 or there about had no proof marks other than a Swiss cross proofed barrel. I have sent my very short data base to your "pacifier" email address. Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

04-18-2004, 07:45 AM	#4
jamese User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 789 Thanks: 0 Thanked 84 Times in 34 Posts	Dwight, I sent you my info thanks for this study Jim __________________ The "truth" is a matter of Perception

04-20-2004, 11:16 AM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	I received confirmation that serial number 2001 is also a 1900 American Eagle. It is a cased presentation piece. No information on what proofs it may have. I will send you some additional serial numbers and markings by email. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

04-18-2004, 07:24 AM	#3
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,042 Thanks: 1,032 Thanked 3,920 Times in 1,193 Posts	Hi Dwight, Nice study. As mentioned earlier, the Crown/N appeared as replacement of the Crown/B/U/G as the result of a changed 1911 proof law. If I look at your results (without any reference on AE production totals to back me), I would say that the 1911 turnover point must be somewhere between serials 459xx and 51xxx. It would be very interesting to see more AE serials in that range. I doubt if calibre would have influence on the marking.

05-28-2004, 09:07 PM	#6
Dog1 User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have an 02 American Eagle. I'll try to send you an e mail with some information.

05-28-2004, 09:35 PM	#7
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Dog1, Looking forward to your info. I've expanded the material I'm looking for, check the topic "More American Eagle Proof Survey". --Dwight

08-17-2004, 07:19 PM	#8
Ida-Alp Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Nampa ID Posts: 116 Thanks: 81 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	I've just acquired a 1906 AE s/n 48724. BBL proof is crown B/U/G--172,28.. Receiver proof is crown B/U. Is bbl proofing common or rare?? Thanks Al