Senate Bill 139

NoncomRetired · 06-11-2013, 04:53 PM

A little over a month and a half ago, your Constitutional Rights were almost voted away, I was unaware of this until recently.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=1&vote=00091

Ron Smith · 06-11-2013, 11:33 PM

"The treaty will require countries that ratify it to establish national regulations to control the transfer of conventional arms and components and to regulate arms brokers, it will not control the domestic use of weapons in any country.

It prohibits the transfer of conventional weapons if they violate arms embargoes or if they promote acts of genocide, crimes against humanity or war crimes, and if they could be used in attacks on civilians or civilian buildings such as schools and hospitals."

The Constitution and Bill of Rights takes precedence over any International Treaty.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/untreaty.asp

NoncomRetired · 06-12-2013, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Smith

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The Constitution and Bill of Rights takes precedence over any International Treaty.

People thought for ages that our Constitution kept us safe from our own government too. People are starting to wonder now and thinking how are we going to get back to feeling safe within our own country. Anyone who still thinks our Constitution is still a sacred document should wake up and watch the news.....IMO. It was a "roll call' vote and it sent a clear message to anyone thinking otherwise about our Rights.

CJS57 · 06-12-2013, 06:49 AM

So does this mean no more imports of WWII rifles etc. ? Or is that over anyway?

NoncomRetired · 06-12-2013, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by CJS57

So does this mean no more imports of WWII rifles etc. ? Or is that over anyway?

If you're thinking of the M1s and the M1 carbines returning here from Korea, I think that has been already halted a few years ago.

mrerick · 06-12-2013, 10:32 AM

I think that the UN treaty would have a great impact on us if the country enters into it. It will also impact our collecting even if the US doesn't ratify it in congress.

The last qualification about " if they could be used in attacks on civilians or civilian buildings such as schools and hospitals" pretty much applies to any firearm of any type. As such, the treaty would be used to completely stop the import or export of firearms or firearm parts for countries that enter into the agreement.

If we enter into this treaty, the constitution and bill of rights will not help us in the areas that we agree to. Agreement specifies international behavior of our government, not our individual rights. Agreement to the treaty may be proven unconstitutional because our government agrees to things that impact individual rights.

The core goal of the UN treaty is to inhibit international trade in arms of all types. This is rooted in a hatred of guns. It will be interpreted conservatively until countries enter into the agreement, then it will be interpreted as widely as possible.

I do see the international trade of in firearms drying up because of this treaty whether we enter into it or not. This is why many of the European firearms manufacturers have built their own factories in North America, and have stopped using agents and distributors.

The entire treaty is here:

http://www.un.org/disarmament/ATT/do...Mar_2013-E.pdf

Here's the PR blurb:

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2013/dc3434.doc.htm

With the Arms Trade Treaty, “the world has decided to finally put an end to the free-for-all nature of international weapons transfers,”

Here's the objective:

"Establish the highest possible common international standards for regulating or [font=serif]improving the regulation of the international trade in conventional arms;"

Read "highest possible" as "most restrictive" and you have the idea.

And yes, it applies to conventional pistols: "(h) Small arms and light weapons".

So, with implementation of this travesty, it will not be possible to exchange historic collectable firearms or their parts between countries.

Here is the UN Office for Disarmament Affairs website:

http://www.un.org/disarmament/ATT/

While a good idea originally, I think that the UN has become very corrupt over the decades. Take away arms and the only arms will be held by the criminals. Does anyone really think the next Pol Pot will pay any attention to this?

Marc

saab-bob · 06-12-2013, 02:18 PM

Marc
Thanks for that insightful analysis.
Correct me if wrong,but even if the US doesn't ratify this treaty, would this not impact us as collectors? Seemingly all military surplus guns or ammo will be banned from sale or transfer. For example, Russian capture guns or surplus US military guns and ammo still in foreign counties?
Bob

06-11-2013, 04:53 PM	#1
NoncomRetired Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 719 Thanks: 144 Thanked 306 Times in 146 Posts	Senate Bill 139 A little over a month and a half ago, your Constitutional Rights were almost voted away, I was unaware of this until recently. http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=1&vote=00091

06-11-2013, 11:33 PM	#2
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	"The treaty will require countries that ratify it to establish national regulations to control the transfer of conventional arms and components and to regulate arms brokers, it will not control the domestic use of weapons in any country. It prohibits the transfer of conventional weapons if they violate arms embargoes or if they promote acts of genocide, crimes against humanity or war crimes, and if they could be used in attacks on civilians or civilian buildings such as schools and hospitals." The Constitution and Bill of Rights takes precedence over any International Treaty. http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/untreaty.asp __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

06-12-2013, 10:32 AM	#6
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,370 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	I think that the UN treaty would have a great impact on us if the country enters into it. It will also impact our collecting even if the US doesn't ratify it in congress. The last qualification about " if they could be used in attacks on civilians or civilian buildings such as schools and hospitals" pretty much applies to any firearm of any type. As such, the treaty would be used to completely stop the import or export of firearms or firearm parts for countries that enter into the agreement. If we enter into this treaty, the constitution and bill of rights will not help us in the areas that we agree to. Agreement specifies international behavior of our government, not our individual rights. Agreement to the treaty may be proven unconstitutional because our government agrees to things that impact individual rights. The core goal of the UN treaty is to inhibit international trade in arms of all types. This is rooted in a hatred of guns. It will be interpreted conservatively until countries enter into the agreement, then it will be interpreted as widely as possible. I do see the international trade of in firearms drying up because of this treaty whether we enter into it or not. This is why many of the European firearms manufacturers have built their own factories in North America, and have stopped using agents and distributors. The entire treaty is here: http://www.un.org/disarmament/ATT/do...Mar_2013-E.pdf Here's the PR blurb: http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2013/dc3434.doc.htm With the Arms Trade Treaty, “the world has decided to finally put an end to the free-for-all nature of international weapons transfers,” Here's the objective: "Establish the highest possible common international standards for regulating or [font=serif]improving the regulation of the international trade in conventional arms;" Read "highest possible" as "most restrictive" and you have the idea. And yes, it applies to conventional pistols: "(h) Small arms and light weapons". So, with implementation of this travesty, it will not be possible to exchange historic collectable firearms or their parts between countries. Here is the UN Office for Disarmament Affairs website: http://www.un.org/disarmament/ATT/ While a good idea originally, I think that the UN has become very corrupt over the decades. Take away arms and the only arms will be held by the criminals. Does anyone really think the next Pol Pot will pay any attention to this? Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

06-12-2013, 02:18 PM	#7
saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	Marc Thanks for that insightful analysis. Correct me if wrong,but even if the US doesn't ratify this treaty, would this not impact us as collectors? Seemingly all military surplus guns or ammo will be banned from sale or transfer. For example, Russian capture guns or surplus US military guns and ammo still in foreign counties? Bob __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"

06-12-2013, 06:49 AM	#4
CJS57 User Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 224 Thanks: 0 Thanked 81 Times in 41 Posts	So does this mean no more imports of WWII rifles etc. ? Or is that over anyway?