Miss HSc 703857 - i am stunned...3 cuts on grip plate???

Gebirg · 06-06-2013, 02:48 PM

Look at this beauty, got it today - i dont now what to say...
The finish, the holster - almost brand new...
I think pistol, holster and mags has always been together since 1941...

NOTICE: the three cuts on the left grip plate high..., what could that mean???

This is one of the most...

Thank you

NoncomRetired · 06-06-2013, 03:59 PM

Real nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The cuts are uniform, the indentations, I would think, happened by something other than individual cuts.

alanint · 06-06-2013, 04:21 PM

Possibly, but we must at least consider that these are the original pistol owner's "kill" marks, since they seem to have been so meticulously applied, without damaging the surrounding area.

Gebirg · 06-06-2013, 04:41 PM

Thanks...
Yes, i think kill marks too - i my be nuts, but i think so...?

Edward Tinker · 06-06-2013, 09:54 PM

Members aren't allowed to do color and b&w?

Must be a new rule...

Gebirg · 06-07-2013, 12:17 AM

Same pistol, not black and white but almost...

Is this not legal at this forum, with both color and B&W?

alanint · 06-07-2013, 04:47 AM

Gebirg, you can post any kind of color you want. Color simply helps in valuing a pistol, but there is nothing against an "artistic" photo.

Gebirg · 06-07-2013, 07:43 AM

Great thanks alanint, i like BW photo also somtimes...

kubel · 06-07-2013, 10:21 AM

I sincerely doubt those are "kill" marks. Pistols were issued primarily for self defense, not as an offensive weapon such as a sniper rifle. Besides, any German who turned over a pistol with "kill" marks notched in the grip were sure to end up as the next "kill" mark.

NoncomRetired · 06-07-2013, 10:53 AM

To me the marks are consistent to spring ring marks....just too uniformed....IMO.

alanint · 06-07-2013, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kubel

I sincerely doubt those are "kill" marks. Pistols were issued primarily for self defense, not as an offensive weapon such as a sniper rifle. Besides, any German who turned over a pistol with "kill" marks notched in the grip were sure to end up as the next "kill" mark.

Ordinarily, I would agree. We are, however, talking about the sidearm of a representative of an extremely brutal regime. "Kill" marks would not be entirely out of place here and I am quite sure that the prospect of being captured would not have prevented any member of this regime from "keeping score", especially early in the war.

Another posibility are cuts from a particular ring from a left handed shooter?

kubel · 06-07-2013, 03:43 PM

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We are, however, talking about the sidearm of a representative of an extremely brutal regime.

Agreed, although the majority of Germans during the Third Reich were normal people, just like you and me.

Although kill markings would greatly enhance the story of any weapon, outside of Hollywood, I'm not sure that was even a German tradition. Almost every supposed kill marking I've ever seen on any weapon was done by a GI on a GI weapon and usually postwar to enhance value or create awe.

Anyway, I would think that anyone proud enough to put kill marks on a weapon probably would've been a little more deliberate and/or elaborate and probably wouldn't have put them in that location. The markings on the pistol depicted look more like symmetrical dents impressed into the wood by some object it was pressed against (a spring as mentioned?) rather than intentionally inscribed kill markings.

To me, it's kind of like seeing the face of Jesus in a cloud. Is it really Jesus? A coincidence? Or people seeing what they want to believe? Nobody will probably ever know the real answer.

kzullick · 06-07-2013, 04:03 PM

There are numerous reasons they might be there, years of service, number of times he cleaned it, number of kids he had, years since it was issued, trips to Berlin etc. etc.

Gebirg · 06-07-2013, 05:29 PM

I think this discussion is great!

Gebirg · 06-07-2013, 06:16 PM

Or female laydowns

Ha ha!

Douglas Jr. · 06-07-2013, 11:02 PM

A great addition to any collection.
And nice pictures, too.

06-06-2013, 02:48 PM	#1
Gebirg User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Telemark Posts: 94 Thanks: 68 Thanked 158 Times in 34 Posts	Miss HSc 703857 - i am stunned...3 cuts on grip plate??? Look at this beauty, got it today - i dont now what to say... The finish, the holster - almost brand new... I think pistol, holster and mags has always been together since 1941... NOTICE: the three cuts on the left grip plate high..., what could that mean??? This is one of the most... Thank you Attached Thumbnails __________________ Mr. AKB - Norway "SILENT LEGES INTER ARMA" Denn unter den Waffen schweigen die Gesetze (M.T.Cicero)

06-06-2013, 04:41 PM	#4
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06-07-2013, 12:17 AM	#6
Gebirg User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Telemark Posts: 94 Thanks: 68 Thanked 158 Times in 34 Posts	Same pistol, not black and white but almost... Is this not legal at this forum, with both color and B&W? __________________ Mr. AKB - Norway "SILENT LEGES INTER ARMA" Denn unter den Waffen schweigen die Gesetze (M.T.Cicero)

06-07-2013, 07:43 AM	#8
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06-06-2013, 03:59 PM	#2
NoncomRetired Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 719 Thanks: 144 Thanked 306 Times in 146 Posts	Real nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The cuts are uniform, the indentations, I would think, happened by something other than individual cuts.

06-06-2013, 04:21 PM	#3
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Possibly, but we must at least consider that these are the original pistol owner's "kill" marks, since they seem to have been so meticulously applied, without damaging the surrounding area.

06-06-2013, 09:54 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Members aren't allowed to do color and b&w? Must be a new rule...

06-07-2013, 04:47 AM	#7
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Gebirg, you can post any kind of color you want. Color simply helps in valuing a pistol, but there is nothing against an "artistic" photo.

06-07-2013, 10:21 AM	#9
kubel User Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 124 Thanks: 5 Thanked 32 Times in 20 Posts	I sincerely doubt those are "kill" marks. Pistols were issued primarily for self defense, not as an offensive weapon such as a sniper rifle. Besides, any German who turned over a pistol with "kill" marks notched in the grip were sure to end up as the next "kill" mark.

06-07-2013, 10:53 AM	#10
NoncomRetired Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 719 Thanks: 144 Thanked 306 Times in 146 Posts	To me the marks are consistent to spring ring marks....just too uniformed....IMO.

06-07-2013, 04:03 PM	#13
kzullick Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: East Berwick, Pennsylvania Posts: 227 Thanks: 609 Thanked 100 Times in 81 Posts	There are numerous reasons they might be there, years of service, number of times he cleaned it, number of kids he had, years since it was issued, trips to Berlin etc. etc.

06-07-2013, 06:16 PM	#15
Gebirg User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Telemark Posts: 94 Thanks: 68 Thanked 158 Times in 34 Posts	Or female laydowns Ha ha! __________________ Mr. AKB - Norway "SILENT LEGES INTER ARMA" Denn unter den Waffen schweigen die Gesetze (M.T.Cicero)

06-07-2013, 11:02 PM	#16
Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	A great addition to any collection. And nice pictures, too.