WWII Remington Rand 1911 A1 Pistol

cyanghost · 11-22-2019, 12:38 PM

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gunnertwo · 11-22-2019, 03:49 PM

Nice Remington. For more info this site is excellent:

http://www.coolgunsite.com

The directory on the left side of the page will send you to the 1911 info.

You may be surprised at the value of that K ration, I've seen some sell for around $200. Don't open it, it will lower the value (and it doesn't taste good).

:-)

G2

m1903a3 · 11-22-2019, 06:51 PM

I have the Remington Rand 1911a1 my father carried throughout his time in the Pacific during the war. I wish he was around to tell me about it. It's been more than 50 years since he died, and when he was still alive he would never talk about the war other than anecdotes about R&R in new Caledonia, New Zealand or Australia.

mrerick · 11-23-2019, 11:35 AM

If you see any active rust going on, it's important to remove it before it leads to pitting.

The best way to do this is with well oiled 0000 steel or bronze wool on a well oiled surface. Lightly rub the surface and it should remove the iron oxide without affecting the bluing. Don't rub too hard or too concentrated in one place.

When finished, spray it with RemOil or a similar preserving gun oil.

The bluing is magnetite (another phase of iron oxide) and is harder than the rust which is why it stays on the surface and the rust comes off. It is possible to do damage with too intensive use of steel wool since under the very thin magnetite bluing layer it's still just steel.

cyanghost · 11-23-2019, 02:48 PM

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mrerick · 11-23-2019, 08:16 PM

All steel that old will start to form some iron oxide. This is, in fact, a way you can determine if the finish and steel surface is old or recently redone.

You use a surface microscope with a bright light, and look at the grain of the metal. Old blued finishes will show some red iron oxide.

DonVoigt · 11-24-2019, 08:53 AM

"I'm surprised it was rusting to begin with. I was told by the seller that the widower's grand daughters discovered the 1911 in the attic and they had no idea it was even there.* Unless there was moisture in the attic, I don't know how it started to rust. I'm just glad I got a hold of it before it got worse."

There is moisture everywhere! Time and moisture = oxidation= rust on steel- just as merick said.

Edward Tinker · 11-24-2019, 01:20 PM

In WW1 that was Remington UMC - not related except very distantly to Remington Rand. Colt was contracted, but remember, they were the inventors original company (John Browning) and then Colts received an original contract and later war contracts.

In WW1 (1911) Colt and Springfield armory, Rem UMC only made about 12,000 of them
In WW11 (1911a1) Colt and then Remington Rand made them, along with others (Ithaca, Singer made a handful).

Here is my CMP Remington Rand

ithacaartist · 11-25-2019, 11:48 PM

What a great find! Too bad it's not an Ithaca, but Syracuse ain't that far up the road!

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunnertwo

...You may be surprised at the value of that K ration, I've seen some sell for around $200. Don't open it, it will lower the value (and it doesn't taste good).

:-)

G2

YouTube is full of videos of guys opening, tasting (sometimes not) and reviewing old military rations. The longevity of some items can be as amazing as the effect time has on most of it.

I tend to agree that this is collectible, although absorbing a $200 loss in exchange for the experience of solving the mystery might still be fun.

gunnertwo · 11-25-2019, 11:58 PM

I'd hold off. Food poisoning could be the prize of solving the mystery. I saw a complete set of the three meals sell for around $900. If you had all three it probably wouldn't pay for the ER bill.

:-)

See, I'm still smiling.

G2

WWII Luger · 11-09-2020, 10:13 AM

Several years ago, On one of my trips home from Iraq, I went down to a buddies house the next state over. He was looking for a buyer for an ORIGINAL Colt 1911 that was built in 1913. I offered him $500 sight unseen and he accepted. With finding the correct slide release, 2 original 2 tone mags, (1) with a lanyard loop, the correct 15 double diamond grips and a mag full of 1917 .45 ACP ammo, I now have a $2500 firearm.

Mister Sunshine · 11-09-2020, 01:56 PM

In the early 1960s me and all my shooting friends were getting three guns Thru the DCM. The 1911 pistol, the M1 Carbine and the 03A3 Springfield. My 1911 was a WWI Colt and it was in excellent condition. It shot very well too. My carbine was made by GM and the A3 was by Remington. Sadly I didn't hang on to any of them.

wlyon · 11-09-2020, 09:46 PM

I remember well when these were offered by DCM. I really wanted a carbine but I believe they were $13. I did not have an extra $13 back then. I bought one a few years later but it was $70 with a case of ammo. Traded it later for a Broom handle. Bill

Sergio Natali · 11-11-2020, 01:01 PM

Very nice REMRAND.

I hope not to break any rules of this forum, in case the Moderators can delete my post, but I would take the liberty of directing you to this forum:
https://www.1911forum.com/
where you will find many knowleadgeable people happy to share their knowledge with you.

Regards

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m1903a3 User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 199 Thanks: 26 Thanked 319 Times in 113 Posts	I have the Remington Rand 1911a1 my father carried throughout his time in the Pacific during the war. I wish he was around to tell me about it. It's been more than 50 years since he died, and when he was still alive he would never talk about the war other than anecdotes about R&R in new Caledonia, New Zealand or Australia. __________________ - Mike Life member: NRA, OVMS, VGCA Member: NAPCA, N-SSA(Veteran) Si vis pacem, para bellum

11-23-2019, 11:35 AM	#4
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,920 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	If you see any active rust going on, it's important to remove it before it leads to pitting. The best way to do this is with well oiled 0000 steel or bronze wool on a well oiled surface. Lightly rub the surface and it should remove the iron oxide without affecting the bluing. Don't rub too hard or too concentrated in one place. When finished, spray it with RemOil or a similar preserving gun oil. The bluing is magnetite (another phase of iron oxide) and is harder than the rust which is why it stays on the surface and the rust comes off. It is possible to do damage with too intensive use of steel wool since under the very thin magnetite bluing layer it's still just steel. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

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11-23-2019, 08:16 PM	#6
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,920 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	All steel that old will start to form some iron oxide. This is, in fact, a way you can determine if the finish and steel surface is old or recently redone. You use a surface microscope with a bright light, and look at the grain of the metal. Old blued finishes will show some red iron oxide. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

11-22-2019, 03:49 PM	#2
gunnertwo User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Nampa, Idaho Posts: 627 Thanks: 843 Thanked 941 Times in 367 Posts	Nice Remington. For more info this site is excellent: http://www.coolgunsite.com The directory on the left side of the page will send you to the 1911 info. You may be surprised at the value of that K ration, I've seen some sell for around $200. Don't open it, it will lower the value (and it doesn't taste good). :-) G2

11-24-2019, 08:53 AM	#7
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,355 Times in 2,041 Posts	"I'm surprised it was rusting to begin with. I was told by the seller that the widower's grand daughters discovered the 1911 in the attic and they had no idea it was even there.* Unless there was moisture in the attic, I don't know how it started to rust. I'm just glad I got a hold of it before it got worse." There is moisture everywhere! Time and moisture = oxidation= rust on steel- just as merick said. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

11-24-2019, 01:20 PM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,965 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,594 Times in 2,116 Posts	In WW1 that was Remington UMC - not related except very distantly to Remington Rand. Colt was contracted, but remember, they were the inventors original company (John Browning) and then Colts received an original contract and later war contracts. In WW1 (1911) Colt and Springfield armory, Rem UMC only made about 12,000 of them In WW11 (1911a1) Colt and then Remington Rand made them, along with others (Ithaca, Singer made a handful). Here is my CMP Remington Rand Attached Thumbnails

11-25-2019, 11:58 PM	#10
gunnertwo User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Nampa, Idaho Posts: 627 Thanks: 843 Thanked 941 Times in 367 Posts	I'd hold off. Food poisoning could be the prize of solving the mystery. I saw a complete set of the three meals sell for around $900. If you had all three it probably wouldn't pay for the ER bill. :-) See, I'm still smiling. G2

11-09-2020, 10:13 AM	#11
WWII Luger User Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: MT Posts: 23 Thanks: 2 Thanked 13 Times in 4 Posts	Several years ago, On one of my trips home from Iraq, I went down to a buddies house the next state over. He was looking for a buyer for an ORIGINAL Colt 1911 that was built in 1913. I offered him $500 sight unseen and he accepted. With finding the correct slide release, 2 original 2 tone mags, (1) with a lanyard loop, the correct 15 double diamond grips and a mag full of 1917 .45 ACP ammo, I now have a $2500 firearm. __________________ Keep your friends close and your enemies closer

11-09-2020, 01:56 PM	#12
Mister Sunshine User Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Cherry Valley, Ca. Posts: 94 Thanks: 0 Thanked 29 Times in 20 Posts	In the early 1960s me and all my shooting friends were getting three guns Thru the DCM. The 1911 pistol, the M1 Carbine and the 03A3 Springfield. My 1911 was a WWI Colt and it was in excellent condition. It shot very well too. My carbine was made by GM and the A3 was by Remington. Sadly I didn't hang on to any of them.

11-09-2020, 09:46 PM	#13
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,653 Thanks: 3,210 Thanked 2,614 Times in 970 Posts	I remember well when these were offered by DCM. I really wanted a carbine but I believe they were $13. I did not have an extra $13 back then. I bought one a few years later but it was $70 with a case of ammo. Traded it later for a Broom handle. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

11-11-2020, 01:01 PM	#14
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Very nice REMRAND. I hope not to break any rules of this forum, in case the Moderators can delete my post, but I would take the liberty of directing you to this forum: https://www.1911forum.com/ where you will find many knowleadgeable people happy to share their knowledge with you. Regards __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.