New to me 1921 Luger

redgun · 09-20-2011, 07:42 PM

I have an opportunity to aquire this 9mm luger from a friend. It is a DWM with a stamp on top of the receiver of 1921. It appears to me to be all original with matching numbers except for the plastic bottom magazine whis is not numbered. I do not know the story or what the stamps and proofs mean , so am looking for any information you guy would be willing to provide. Estimated value range would be great if possible. Thanks for your help..

FNorm · 09-20-2011, 09:35 PM

I think you have a Weimar Republic Army luger. Should be in the A or B block.

The magazine, though is Mauser, FXO. E/37, type 5.

Fn

redgun · 09-20-2011, 09:42 PM

Thank you Norm. Worth more than 500 as a shooter in your opinion.

FNorm · 09-20-2011, 09:58 PM

Can't say without breaking it down and checking everything. Worth 500 anyway. One thing puzzles me is the test proof. It may have been a factory rework. Wait til the 'old guys' check in.

Opps. The mag is a type 6. All the above with the black plastic base. About late 41 to 42. Some guys would pay $$$ just for that.

FN

MFC · 09-21-2011, 03:47 AM

It can also be in the 'no suffix' or 'a' - 'b' range.

DavidJayUden · 09-21-2011, 09:03 AM

Me thinks that it is a decent gun and worth the asking price. I'm sure that you could horsetrade the magazine for a wood based model quite easily if that is your preferance.
dju

redgun · 09-21-2011, 06:24 PM

What is meant by A or B block. I guess i need to read up on these.

Edward Tinker · 09-21-2011, 07:02 PM

lugers were made in blocks of 10,000

so, no suffix, then a, then b, etc

although not just cut and dried for all years and models, but a generalization

redgun · 09-21-2011, 07:13 PM

it is a 4 digit serial # in the 6 thousands just to add a little more info.

FNorm · 09-21-2011, 09:31 PM

Under the barrel, and above the trigger guard is the frame number, and a script letter suffix, if there is one.

FN

Dwight Gruber · 09-21-2011, 10:20 PM

Could we please see pictures of any markkings on the bottom, top left, and top right of the barrel near the receiver?

--Dwight

redgun · 09-21-2011, 10:43 PM

No suffix anywhere I can see on gun. The only markings on the barrel are seriel no 4 digit , 88.2 under that ,the mark on the side of the barrell and a very small one on top of the barrell. (small and simiilar to a spider from my view) . None on or near sight. I will try to add picture. Thank You

redgun · 09-21-2011, 11:13 PM

The mark on top of the barrell appears to be the same as the one fourth from the right in above pic, on the reciever. With some letters under the bird. Sorry but I cant get a picture to cooperate on this one.

FNorm · 09-22-2011, 11:04 AM

RG,
Yes, that's the test firing proof. More experienced guys, correct me if I'm wrong. But this mark was squeezed in with the others. It is not usually seen on this series. More of a Mauser mark.
Makes me think it went through the Mauser factory at one time.

As Dwight says, we need more sharp, close up pics. Also the mark on the left of the first toggle hinge. The breech block. Bit of a mystery here.

The 8,82 is the barrel diameter from land to land.

While not really rare, this piece could be considered, uncommon.

FN

redgun · 09-22-2011, 07:26 PM

These are the pics of the toggle marking , top of barrell and bottom of thr barrell. No other markings on the gun that I can see except what are in the pics of the original post.

FNorm · 09-23-2011, 09:38 AM

Well, ya got me RG. I think the piece started out as a Weimar era, new manufacture Army. But there's a few things that have me scratching my head.

The first proof mark from the left looks like a Crown D. (C/D) An Imperial marking? The last of the proofs and the barrel proof, I can now see are not the Mauser test proofs.

You're gonna have to wait til someone with more experience checks in.

FN

Lugerdoc · 09-23-2011, 12:35 PM

Definately a rework of some type, perhaps at the army depot level. Even if not matching and with the cracked BPB FXO mag, worth more than $500 if it functions OK. TH

redgun · 09-23-2011, 02:14 PM

Thanks guys , I have purchased this piece with confidence with the information you provided. I own many firearms but this is my first Luger and I fear the Luger may be my new addiction as I learn the ins and outs of this weapon. Thank You all

FNorm · 09-23-2011, 02:48 PM

Welcome to the addiction, there are many of the afflicted here.

Here's some disassembly info: Be sure to clean inside the breech, inside the striker, and under the
extractor.

http://www.wonderhowto.com/search/luger/

FN

Lugerdoc · 09-28-2011, 12:43 PM

Judging from the Imperial inspection marking (rear one) on right receiver, this part was made during WW1, but not used until it's assy in 1921 and then Weimar inspected as a whole gun and proofed. TH

09-20-2011, 07:42 PM	#1
redgun User Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	New to me 1921 Luger I have an opportunity to aquire this 9mm luger from a friend. It is a DWM with a stamp on top of the receiver of 1921. It appears to me to be all original with matching numbers except for the plastic bottom magazine whis is not numbered. I do not know the story or what the stamps and proofs mean , so am looking for any information you guy would be willing to provide. Estimated value range would be great if possible. Thanks for your help.. Attached Thumbnails Attached Images

09-20-2011, 09:35 PM	#2
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	I think you have a Weimar Republic Army luger. Should be in the A or B block. The magazine, though is Mauser, FXO. E/37, type 5. Fn Last edited by FNorm; 09-20-2011 at 09:43 PM. Reason: ed

09-20-2011, 09:58 PM	#4
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Can't say without breaking it down and checking everything. Worth 500 anyway. One thing puzzles me is the test proof. It may have been a factory rework. Wait til the 'old guys' check in. Opps. The mag is a type 6. All the above with the black plastic base. About late 41 to 42. Some guys would pay $$$ just for that. FN Last edited by FNorm; 09-20-2011 at 10:06 PM. Reason: add

09-21-2011, 03:47 AM	#5
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	It can also be in the 'no suffix' or 'a' - 'b' range. __________________ Mike C.

09-21-2011, 07:02 PM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,929 Thanks: 2,029 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	lugers were made in blocks of 10,000 so, no suffix, then a, then b, etc although not just cut and dried for all years and models, but a generalization __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-20-2011, 09:42 PM	#3
redgun User Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you Norm. Worth more than 500 as a shooter in your opinion.

09-21-2011, 09:03 AM	#6
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Me thinks that it is a decent gun and worth the asking price. I'm sure that you could horsetrade the magazine for a wood based model quite easily if that is your preferance. dju

09-21-2011, 06:24 PM	#7
redgun User Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	What is meant by A or B block. I guess i need to read up on these.

09-21-2011, 07:13 PM	#9
redgun User Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	it is a 4 digit serial # in the 6 thousands just to add a little more info.

09-21-2011, 09:31 PM	#10
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Under the barrel, and above the trigger guard is the frame number, and a script letter suffix, if there is one. FN

09-21-2011, 10:20 PM	#11
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,312 Times in 430 Posts	Could we please see pictures of any markkings on the bottom, top left, and top right of the barrel near the receiver? --Dwight

09-21-2011, 10:43 PM	#12
redgun User Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	No suffix anywhere I can see on gun. The only markings on the barrel are seriel no 4 digit , 88.2 under that ,the mark on the side of the barrell and a very small one on top of the barrell. (small and simiilar to a spider from my view) . None on or near sight. I will try to add picture. Thank You

09-21-2011, 11:13 PM	#13
redgun User Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The mark on top of the barrell appears to be the same as the one fourth from the right in above pic, on the reciever. With some letters under the bird. Sorry but I cant get a picture to cooperate on this one.

09-22-2011, 11:04 AM	#14
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	RG, Yes, that's the test firing proof. More experienced guys, correct me if I'm wrong. But this mark was squeezed in with the others. It is not usually seen on this series. More of a Mauser mark. Makes me think it went through the Mauser factory at one time. As Dwight says, we need more sharp, close up pics. Also the mark on the left of the first toggle hinge. The breech block. Bit of a mystery here. The 8,82 is the barrel diameter from land to land. While not really rare, this piece could be considered, uncommon. FN Last edited by FNorm; 09-22-2011 at 11:14 AM. Reason: add

09-22-2011, 07:26 PM	#15
redgun User Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	These are the pics of the toggle marking , top of barrell and bottom of thr barrell. No other markings on the gun that I can see except what are in the pics of the original post. Attached Thumbnails Attached Images

09-23-2011, 09:38 AM	#16
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Well, ya got me RG. I think the piece started out as a Weimar era, new manufacture Army. But there's a few things that have me scratching my head. The first proof mark from the left looks like a Crown D. (C/D) An Imperial marking? The last of the proofs and the barrel proof, I can now see are not the Mauser test proofs. You're gonna have to wait til someone with more experience checks in. FN

09-23-2011, 12:35 PM	#17
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Definately a rework of some type, perhaps at the army depot level. Even if not matching and with the cracked BPB FXO mag, worth more than $500 if it functions OK. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

09-23-2011, 02:14 PM	#18
redgun User Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks guys , I have purchased this piece with confidence with the information you provided. I own many firearms but this is my first Luger and I fear the Luger may be my new addiction as I learn the ins and outs of this weapon. Thank You all

09-23-2011, 02:48 PM	#19
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Welcome to the addiction, there are many of the afflicted here. Here's some disassembly info: Be sure to clean inside the breech, inside the striker, and under the extractor. http://www.wonderhowto.com/search/luger/ FN

09-28-2011, 12:43 PM	#20
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Judging from the Imperial inspection marking (rear one) on right receiver, this part was made during WW1, but not used until it's assy in 1921 and then Weimar inspected as a whole gun and proofed. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net