Swiss 1882 - 82/29 revolvers

panda · 06-02-2003, 02:45 AM

Hello everyone,
Does anyone know the manufacturing dates of the different 1882 & 82/29 swiss army and civil revolvers?
Thanks.

This is a Swiss army 1882 revolver 3rd version.

panda · 06-05-2003, 03:17 AM

Here's another 1882 3rd. version but civil.
It's virtually the same except that the s/n starts with a "P".

Lugerdoc · 06-05-2003, 10:08 AM

There is an excellent German language book by Eugen Heer that goes into all of the Swiss Revolvers in detail, "Geshichte und Etwicklung der Militarhandfeuerwaffen in der Schweiz". Perhaps one of our European members can translate the required info. I believe that the "P" prefix noted on one shown, indicates that it was officially released by the Swiss military for "Private" sale. Tom

Pete Ebbink · 06-05-2003, 01:04 PM

Hello Panda,

I have some Swiss revolver books that I will be getting in the next few months from Europe; but now cannot help with the dates.

LF members "Swissdaggers" and "Guisan" visit the LF from time to time; but they do hang out a lot more at the following great Swiss weapons site :

http://pub18.ezboard.com/btheswissri...ommessageboard

You might try posting your question there in the pistol section.

p.s. Regarding your P-s/n M1882; I think it might be a commercial sale revolver...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Ron Wood · 06-06-2003, 03:30 AM

Panda

I have not been able to find a reference for exact dates of manufacture by serial number, but according to Christian Reinhart (Ã¢??Pistolen und Revolver der SchweizÃ¢?Â, 1988) there were 37254 of the Revolver, Ordonnanz, Modell 1882 produced between September 1883 and the last issue and close of production on 21 November 1932. The serial number started with 1 through 37254. There was a special serialization for pistols made for civilian or commercial sales. This special series had a Ã¢??PÃ¢?Â prefix. The civilian model was exactly like the military issue. The serial range of the civilian model is not indicated but presumed to have started with P1. There were modifications to this model in 1886 (about serial number 1501), 1888 (about serial number 540 of the Ã¢??P-waffenÃ¢?Â [Privat or Private/Civilan]) and 1893. The 1886 and 1888 modification consisted primarily of an improvement to the loading gate that incorporated a hammer block. The 1893 variation was issued to the Ã¢??Bicycle CorpsÃ¢?Â (Radfahrerkorps) and was produced in three lots totaling 337 pieces. It had an unusual large fixed lanyard loop attached to the base of the grip.

Reinhart lists the serial numbers of the 82/29 (Revolver, Ordonnanz, Modell 1929) as 50020-68229, with the first issue occurring in February 1933, and the last issue in June of 1946. Fritz HÃ?Â¤usler ("Sweizer Faustfeuerwaffen Ã¢?? Armes de poing suisses", 1975) lists the range as being from 50001-68229 and indicates that the 82/29 was Ã¢??an improvement over the Model 82Ã¢?Â and the Ã¢??new design featured a simplified mechanism and strengthened frameÃ¢?Â. HÃ?Â¤usler also states that the 82/29 was produced in a civilian sale series having a Ã¢??PÃ¢?Â prefix serial number in the range P25001 to P27000. No specific dates of production were listed for either the military or civilian models. He goes on to indicate that Ã¢??a number of the P-series revolvers were used by the Border Police [Customs Service]Ã¢?Â.

I hope this helps.

Regards,
Ron

Pete Ebbink · 06-06-2003, 11:54 AM

For more info. in regards to Panda's inquiry, Guisan has added more info. on the following swiss gun site, that adds to Ron's very good information. Here is the site link :

http://pub18.ezboard.com/ftheswissri...picID=28.topic

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

panda · 06-06-2003, 05:20 PM

Thanks everybody for the input.
This ties in with the info I have.

Pete, I'm looking forward to hearing from your new books.

There's an interesting thing with the 1882 of the top picture: all parts (including trigger, gate and hammer) are blued like the 82/29 but unlike most other 1882s. The Rutsch book mentions some fully blued M1882 4th version but no 3rd. According to the former owner who inherited it from his father (the first owner), the gun has never been reworked. Has anybody got an explanation for this mistery?

panda · 06-06-2003, 05:40 PM

This is not directly connected to the issue but I thought you may enjoy my latest acquistion: an M1882-4th.

Pete Ebbink · 06-06-2003, 07:30 PM

Panda,

I am just curious, because your user profile does not indicate the country in which you reside...

Are you finding these great Swiss revolvers in the USA...or elsewhere...? I have only seen 3 come up for sale here in the USA in the past year and not nearly as in the nice condition as your M1882's...

As you know, I brought my M1882 in from CH (via Swissdaggers...). I think I am ready for my 2nd. one...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

panda · 06-07-2003, 08:34 AM

Come on Pete,

there may be no specific line for my location but it's written right across my face in my user profile. <img border="0" alt="[bigbye]" title="" src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" />

I guess it's easier to find Swiss items in Switzerland. However, don't think all items here are museum-grade like this M1882. I believe I was quite lucky to get this one. Even if it was a little pricey (for local standards) it was worth it.

06-02-2003, 02:45 AM	#1
panda User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 148 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Swiss 1882 - 82/29 revolvers Hello everyone, Does anyone know the manufacturing dates of the different 1882 & 82/29 swiss army and civil revolvers? Thanks. This is a Swiss army 1882 revolver 3rd version.

06-05-2003, 10:08 AM	#3
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	There is an excellent German language book by Eugen Heer that goes into all of the Swiss Revolvers in detail, "Geshichte und Etwicklung der Militarhandfeuerwaffen in der Schweiz". Perhaps one of our European members can translate the required info. I believe that the "P" prefix noted on one shown, indicates that it was officially released by the Swiss military for "Private" sale. Tom __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

06-06-2003, 03:30 AM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	Panda I have not been able to find a reference for exact dates of manufacture by serial number, but according to Christian Reinhart (Ã¢??Pistolen und Revolver der SchweizÃ¢?Â, 1988) there were 37254 of the Revolver, Ordonnanz, Modell 1882 produced between September 1883 and the last issue and close of production on 21 November 1932. The serial number started with 1 through 37254. There was a special serialization for pistols made for civilian or commercial sales. This special series had a Ã¢??PÃ¢?Â prefix. The civilian model was exactly like the military issue. The serial range of the civilian model is not indicated but presumed to have started with P1. There were modifications to this model in 1886 (about serial number 1501), 1888 (about serial number 540 of the Ã¢??P-waffenÃ¢?Â [Privat or Private/Civilan]) and 1893. The 1886 and 1888 modification consisted primarily of an improvement to the loading gate that incorporated a hammer block. The 1893 variation was issued to the Ã¢??Bicycle CorpsÃ¢?Â (Radfahrerkorps) and was produced in three lots totaling 337 pieces. It had an unusual large fixed lanyard loop attached to the base of the grip. Reinhart lists the serial numbers of the 82/29 (Revolver, Ordonnanz, Modell 1929) as 50020-68229, with the first issue occurring in February 1933, and the last issue in June of 1946. Fritz HÃ?Â¤usler ("Sweizer Faustfeuerwaffen Ã¢?? Armes de poing suisses", 1975) lists the range as being from 50001-68229 and indicates that the 82/29 was Ã¢??an improvement over the Model 82Ã¢?Â and the Ã¢??new design featured a simplified mechanism and strengthened frameÃ¢?Â. HÃ?Â¤usler also states that the 82/29 was produced in a civilian sale series having a Ã¢??PÃ¢?Â prefix serial number in the range P25001 to P27000. No specific dates of production were listed for either the military or civilian models. He goes on to indicate that Ã¢??a number of the P-series revolvers were used by the Border Police [Customs Service]Ã¢?Â. I hope this helps. Regards, Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-05-2003, 03:17 AM	#2
panda User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 148 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Here's another 1882 3rd. version but civil. It's virtually the same except that the s/n starts with a "P".

06-05-2003, 01:04 PM	#4
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello Panda, I have some Swiss revolver books that I will be getting in the next few months from Europe; but now cannot help with the dates. LF members "Swissdaggers" and "Guisan" visit the LF from time to time; but they do hang out a lot more at the following great Swiss weapons site : http://pub18.ezboard.com/btheswissri...ommessageboard You might try posting your question there in the pistol section. p.s. Regarding your P-s/n M1882; I think it might be a commercial sale revolver... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

06-06-2003, 11:54 AM	#6
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	For more info. in regards to Panda's inquiry, Guisan has added more info. on the following swiss gun site, that adds to Ron's very good information. Here is the site link : http://pub18.ezboard.com/ftheswissri...picID=28.topic Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

06-06-2003, 05:20 PM	#7
panda User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 148 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks everybody for the input. This ties in with the info I have. Pete, I'm looking forward to hearing from your new books. There's an interesting thing with the 1882 of the top picture: all parts (including trigger, gate and hammer) are blued like the 82/29 but unlike most other 1882s. The Rutsch book mentions some fully blued M1882 4th version but no 3rd. According to the former owner who inherited it from his father (the first owner), the gun has never been reworked. Has anybody got an explanation for this mistery?

06-06-2003, 05:40 PM	#8
panda User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 148 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	This is not directly connected to the issue but I thought you may enjoy my latest acquistion: an M1882-4th.

06-06-2003, 07:30 PM	#9
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Panda, I am just curious, because your user profile does not indicate the country in which you reside... Are you finding these great Swiss revolvers in the USA...or elsewhere...? I have only seen 3 come up for sale here in the USA in the past year and not nearly as in the nice condition as your M1882's... As you know, I brought my M1882 in from CH (via Swissdaggers...). I think I am ready for my 2nd. one... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

06-07-2003, 08:34 AM	#10
panda User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 148 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Come on Pete, there may be no specific line for my location but it's written right across my face in my user profile. <img border="0" alt="[bigbye]" title="" src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" /> I guess it's easier to find Swiss items in Switzerland. However, don't think all items here are museum-grade like this M1882. I believe I was quite lucky to get this one. Even if it was a little pricey (for local standards) it was worth it.