Interesting Ortgies

Ron Smith · 02-16-2006, 10:46 PM

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...G%20L.A.%20123

Wish I had the bucks to bid on it. Butcha cain't havem all...

George Anderson · 02-17-2006, 07:04 AM

I'd do a whole bunch of research before jumping into that auction.

Ron Smith · 02-17-2006, 09:58 AM

Geo,

I think that the seller is living a fantasy. Or is attempting to pump sunshine up an orifice. I don't know what the list is, or how it relates to the Hindenburg.

Looks like a police marking to me, but what do I know.

Ron

Vlim · 02-17-2006, 10:08 AM

Apart from that, the Hindenburg was not a military vessel, but a commercial one, so no need for military markings of any kind (which would have been obsolete after 1934 anyway). Also, it had the registration-ID LZ129.

So I agree Ron. An elaborate fantasy story, as far as the Hindenburg connection goes.

Navy · 02-17-2006, 11:46 AM

Exactly right; a commercially owned and operated airship.

tom A

Don M · 02-17-2006, 12:11 PM

This is another of the L.A. unit marks that often get misinterpreted as LandjÃ?Â¤gerei. It is definitely not. There have been other threads on one or both of the forums identifying it as a Luft-something military marking.

Jan C Still · 02-17-2006, 08:30 PM

L.A.1.23.
If the serial number of the Ortiges is (as indicated on the mag and holster)176681 it was manufactured after the end of World War I. It is doubtful if post World War I pistols would bear Imperial unit stamps as many parts of the Imperial Army were dismantled at the Wars end.

I suspect that the Imperial Luftschiffer units were all dissolved at the end of World War I and there is not a listing for post World War I Luftschiffer units in the 1923 Reichswehr unit markings instructions. Also, the markings are not according to orders with the numbers being larger than the unit designator.

This is an interesting mystery marking, not Imperial and most likely not Weimar military or police. Possible it is a private or company marking.
Jan

Pete Ebbink · 02-21-2006, 03:30 PM

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02-16-2006, 10:46 PM	#1
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Interesting Ortgies http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...G%20L.A.%20123 Wish I had the bucks to bid on it. Butcha cain't havem all... __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

02-17-2006, 09:58 AM	#3
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Geo, I think that the seller is living a fantasy. Or is attempting to pump sunshine up an orifice. I don't know what the list is, or how it relates to the Hindenburg. Looks like a police marking to me, but what do I know. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

02-17-2006, 12:11 PM	#6
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	This is another of the L.A. unit marks that often get misinterpreted as LandjÃ?Â¤gerei. It is definitely not. There have been other threads on one or both of the forums identifying it as a Luft-something military marking. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

02-17-2006, 07:04 AM	#2
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,772 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	I'd do a whole bunch of research before jumping into that auction.

02-17-2006, 10:08 AM	#4
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,041 Thanks: 1,021 Thanked 3,902 Times in 1,190 Posts	Apart from that, the Hindenburg was not a military vessel, but a commercial one, so no need for military markings of any kind (which would have been obsolete after 1934 anyway). Also, it had the registration-ID LZ129. So I agree Ron. An elaborate fantasy story, as far as the Hindenburg connection goes.

02-17-2006, 11:46 AM	#5
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Exactly right; a commercially owned and operated airship. tom A

02-17-2006, 08:30 PM	#7
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	L.A.1.23. If the serial number of the Ortiges is (as indicated on the mag and holster)176681 it was manufactured after the end of World War I. It is doubtful if post World War I pistols would bear Imperial unit stamps as many parts of the Imperial Army were dismantled at the Wars end. I suspect that the Imperial Luftschiffer units were all dissolved at the end of World War I and there is not a listing for post World War I Luftschiffer units in the 1923 Reichswehr unit markings instructions. Also, the markings are not according to orders with the numbers being larger than the unit designator. This is an interesting mystery marking, not Imperial and most likely not Weimar military or police. Possible it is a private or company marking. Jan

02-21-2006, 03:30 PM	#8
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