Luger Erfurt 1916

Welsh72 · 07-29-2024, 06:51 PM

Folks new to the forum. I have always thought Lugers were cool and wanted one. Actually I surprised I have waited this long to get one. I have been offered one...pictures below. Bore is about 7/10. It is unit marked. Grips are not match but left one doesn't have the chip from the safety lever that most have. The firing pin is not numbered. Believe armorers replacement. I believe original finish. Small discreet export stamp Germany on frame. So maybe imported in 50s /60s. What would be a fair price for this and a good price? Range? I have looked on Gunbroker but they are all over the board....depending on finish etc etc. Want to be fair but don't want to pay 2 to 3 bennies more than I need to.

HerrKaiser · 07-29-2024, 08:23 PM

Nice unit mark. With the import mark, grip, and firing pin I would say based on the limited photos that the neighborhood of $1300-1400 or so would be a more than fair offer.

Eugen · 07-30-2024, 01:18 PM

I don't keep up with prices and don't know much, but that never stops from rendering an opinion.

I like the year and love the unit stamp, but frown on import stamps. Negotiate your best deal and buy it. I'd buy it for $1200.

For your first Luger buy one that you can shoot occasionally (I did say "occasionally") without fear of damaging a numbers matching Luger.

Mac Cat · 07-30-2024, 03:52 PM

The Regimental unit mark is in Jeff Noll's book, page 58

Armeekorps 18, Ersatz-Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 4

Since Ersatz means replacement, I would guess it was a reserve machine-gun company.
No weapon number.

Doubs · 07-30-2024, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac Cat

Since Ersatz means replacement, I would guess it was a reserve machine-gun company. No weapon number.

Another common meaning for Ersatz is "substitute". When certain commodities became scarce in Germany during WW1, there was ersatz coffee, tobacco etc.made from other substances in an effort to replace the real thing.

LU1900 · 08-01-2024, 08:58 AM

I have five other lugers with same regimental mark in my data
Very nice !

GerColctor · 08-20-2024, 06:34 PM

Doubs
Corrects as to the meaning of commondities, but in this instance I think that it is meant as more like "reserve".

Welsh72
Based upon the above reasons mentioned by Herr Kaiser this Luger is only going to be a "shooter", not a collectable, therefor the value is significantly compromised. It is unfortunate, as it is unit marked to a M.G. company which are desirable.
It was also made at the government arsenal at Erfurt, so the finishing of the surface is of a lesser quality in comparison to similar military contract DWMs.

07-29-2024, 06:51 PM	#1
Welsh72 New User Join Date: Jul 2024 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Luger Erfurt 1916 Folks new to the forum. I have always thought Lugers were cool and wanted one. Actually I surprised I have waited this long to get one. I have been offered one...pictures below. Bore is about 7/10. It is unit marked. Grips are not match but left one doesn't have the chip from the safety lever that most have. The firing pin is not numbered. Believe armorers replacement. I believe original finish. Small discreet export stamp Germany on frame. So maybe imported in 50s /60s. What would be a fair price for this and a good price? Range? I have looked on Gunbroker but they are all over the board....depending on finish etc etc. Want to be fair but don't want to pay 2 to 3 bennies more than I need to. Attached Thumbnails

07-29-2024, 08:23 PM	#2
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 847 Thanks: 783 Thanked 860 Times in 410 Posts	Nice unit mark. With the import mark, grip, and firing pin I would say based on the limited photos that the neighborhood of $1300-1400 or so would be a more than fair offer. __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

07-30-2024, 01:18 PM	#3
Eugen User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Newburgh,IN Posts: 790 Thanks: 393 Thanked 631 Times in 334 Posts	I don't keep up with prices and don't know much, but that never stops from rendering an opinion. I like the year and love the unit stamp, but frown on import stamps. Negotiate your best deal and buy it. I'd buy it for $1200. For your first Luger buy one that you can shoot occasionally (I did say "occasionally") without fear of damaging a numbers matching Luger. __________________ “God created war so that Americans would learn geography.” ― Mark Twain

08-01-2024, 08:58 AM	#6
LU1900 User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: FRANCE Posts: 908 Thanks: 41 Thanked 469 Times in 197 Posts	I have five other lugers with same regimental mark in my data Very nice ! __________________ Best regards from France...Patrice https://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2016/03/1...nd-snail-drum/

08-20-2024, 06:34 PM	#7
GerColctor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: CT & FL Posts: 312 Thanks: 2 Thanked 45 Times in 29 Posts	Doubs Corrects as to the meaning of commondities, but in this instance I think that it is meant as more like "reserve". Welsh72 Based upon the above reasons mentioned by Herr Kaiser this Luger is only going to be a "shooter", not a collectable, therefor the value is significantly compromised. It is unfortunate, as it is unit marked to a M.G. company which are desirable. It was also made at the government arsenal at Erfurt, so the finishing of the surface is of a lesser quality in comparison to similar military contract DWMs. __________________ It is better to have lived a day as a tiger, then a thousand years as a lamb.

07-30-2024, 03:52 PM	#4
Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 725 Thanks: 2,090 Thanked 606 Times in 327 Posts	The Regimental unit mark is in Jeff Noll's book, page 58 Armeekorps 18, Ersatz-Maschinengewehr-Kompagnie 4 Since Ersatz means replacement, I would guess it was a reserve machine-gun company. No weapon number.