1913 Erfurt Luger

Ben Evans · 11-01-2013, 02:41 PM

Gents can I have your opinions on this one please? Its going for a good price but has a couple of issues, I have asked for better pics of the gun. Described as:

A very good 1913 Erfurt dated ww1 luger.Slight pitting been in a damp place all matching except mag.

Also:

The Lugers not too bad it's priced that way it was found in a shed so straw gone the pitting isn't that bad it's all matching was deacted last month never been in a collection.can do a good price if you want it ?

The lack of strawing concerns me but the pics are not brilliant.

Any thoughts?

Cheers

Ben

alanint · 11-01-2013, 04:42 PM

Hi Ben,
Since there is no such thing as a "shooter" category in the UK, I would hold out for the nicest deact guns you can find.

Ben Evans · 11-01-2013, 04:58 PM

Makes sense Alan to be honest, for the sake of a couple of hundred quid just wait until a better piece comes up for sale

Geo99 · 11-02-2013, 12:11 AM

Looks about 60-70% to me. Not collectable, IMO.

Sergio Natali · 11-02-2013, 06:10 AM

Hay up Ben

I agree with Doug, I would say that gun is not that rusty if it has been in a damp shed for all these years, anywway as I sometimes say: "Go for the best and leave all the rest!" so avoid collecting rust if you can; Erfurt Lugers are not that rare, you'll surely can find a better one!
IMHO

Ta-ra!

mystical_tutor · 11-02-2013, 09:11 AM

My 1938 s/42 looks worse than that for the same reason. It has a wet burlap pattern. In my case it makes an excellent social (self defense) piece. That just doesn't work for you and I think whatever this cost is probably too much. There has to be a nice one around somewhere.

What do they do to a Luger to nuder it?

Gary

Ben Evans · 11-02-2013, 03:50 PM

Gary, they pin barrel at the breech so a rnd cannot be chambered and but the bolt to 45 degrees, crap but its the only way to pistols in the UK

cirelaw · 11-02-2013, 04:40 PM

Can one own a workable gun of any kind in the U.K. or Canada for that matter? What about those fox hunts?

Ben Evans · 11-02-2013, 04:57 PM

Rifles are not a problem, my mate who is a deer stalker has 8 rifles, from .308 down, I have 4 shotguns. Its the pistols, after the Dumblane massacre, labour used it as a rally point to gain support if they got rid of hand guns. The fact the police messed up and with the guys profile he should never have been allowed/issued a license in the first place was not considered, the innocent gun club shooters got penalised due to all that nonsense!!! Dont get me started, it really grips my sh"t to be honest!! Anyway, the answer is yea we can own rifles if you have the land to shoot it on.

cirelaw · 11-02-2013, 09:14 PM

I had never heard of that incident and it was shocking. This is something we can never take for granted. Believe me I never take for forget our right to bear arms but when the definition of 'arms' is in question there can be an issue! Scary as a simular event or events do happen here too!!~~I attached the history our reference! Our problems sound so familiar, Thank You Friend for bringing it to our attention~~~http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_school_massacre and the result ~~http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm...o._2)_Act_1997 !~! Eric..

Geo99 · 11-03-2013, 12:54 AM

Eric,

Canada is not much diff than US. They can't own full-auto or ANY pistol with less than 4" barrel, but other than that, it's much like US with lots of gun ownership. It's really a strange law because a lot of pistols even revolvers have 4" barrels, and in Germany after WWI, no one could own a pistol with a barrel longer than 4". So you can only collect long barrel Lugers (5" Commercial, Navy, Artillery), but they are fully operational.

They have firearm licensing but just about anyone can get a license and carry permit.
They have rifle/shotgun registration but has been a failure - it is not really enforced and I believe they are doing away with it. Anyone can buy semi-auto rifle - SKS are only $200-$250 there and they sell them everywhere.

I live 2 hours from Canada (British Columbia), it's a beautiful area up there,
- Geo

alanint · 11-03-2013, 06:55 AM

As in the US, Canadians can own full autos if the established regulations are followed.

mystical_tutor · 11-03-2013, 08:14 AM

Maybe things have changed a bit in Canada then. When I was stationed at Ft. Lewis our Practical Pistol group would swap trips with Canadian police. But it was very strict. When we got to the border a RCMP would pick up our handguns and ammo (after full inspection) take receipt of them and escort us to the event area. Same coming back. Their trip to the US was much simpler. Of course that was 1984+ so it may be easier now.

USPSPA is a nationwide affiliation of groups that practice self defense with live ammo on outdoor ranges. Real life situations could be set up with props and you would go though a drill with changing mags, shooting weak hand, using cover etc. Getting a little old for it now but in the day it was sure fun to do it with a Luger.... People couldn't believe it.
http://www.uspsa.org/uspsa-media-pre...ose-in-Utah-45

11-01-2013, 02:41 PM	#1
Ben Evans User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: UK Posts: 94 Thanks: 31 Thanked 25 Times in 12 Posts	1913 Erfurt Luger Gents can I have your opinions on this one please? Its going for a good price but has a couple of issues, I have asked for better pics of the gun. Described as: A very good 1913 Erfurt dated ww1 luger.Slight pitting been in a damp place all matching except mag. Also: The Lugers not too bad it's priced that way it was found in a shed so straw gone the pitting isn't that bad it's all matching was deacted last month never been in a collection.can do a good price if you want it ? The lack of strawing concerns me but the pics are not brilliant. Any thoughts? Cheers Ben Attached Thumbnails

11-02-2013, 12:11 AM	#4
Geo99 User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Whidbey Island WA Posts: 398 Thanks: 102 Thanked 125 Times in 74 Posts	Looks about 60-70% to me. Not collectable, IMO. __________________ "Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggie, until you can find a rock." - Will Rogers

11-02-2013, 06:10 AM	#5
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Hay up Ben I agree with Doug, I would say that gun is not that rusty if it has been in a damp shed for all these years, anywway as I sometimes say: "Go for the best and leave all the rest!" so avoid collecting rust if you can; Erfurt Lugers are not that rare, you'll surely can find a better one! IMHO Ta-ra! __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

11-03-2013, 12:54 AM	#11
Geo99 User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Whidbey Island WA Posts: 398 Thanks: 102 Thanked 125 Times in 74 Posts	Eric, Canada is not much diff than US. They can't own full-auto or ANY pistol with less than 4" barrel, but other than that, it's much like US with lots of gun ownership. It's really a strange law because a lot of pistols even revolvers have 4" barrels, and in Germany after WWI, no one could own a pistol with a barrel longer than 4". So you can only collect long barrel Lugers (5" Commercial, Navy, Artillery), but they are fully operational. They have firearm licensing but just about anyone can get a license and carry permit. They have rifle/shotgun registration but has been a failure - it is not really enforced and I believe they are doing away with it. Anyone can buy semi-auto rifle - SKS are only $200-$250 there and they sell them everywhere. I live 2 hours from Canada (British Columbia), it's a beautiful area up there, - Geo __________________ "Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggie, until you can find a rock." - Will Rogers

11-01-2013, 04:42 PM	#2
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Hi Ben, Since there is no such thing as a "shooter" category in the UK, I would hold out for the nicest deact guns you can find.

11-01-2013, 04:58 PM	#3
Ben Evans User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: UK Posts: 94 Thanks: 31 Thanked 25 Times in 12 Posts	Makes sense Alan to be honest, for the sake of a couple of hundred quid just wait until a better piece comes up for sale

11-02-2013, 09:11 AM	#6
mystical_tutor User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 230 Thanks: 32 Thanked 39 Times in 25 Posts	My 1938 s/42 looks worse than that for the same reason. It has a wet burlap pattern. In my case it makes an excellent social (self defense) piece. That just doesn't work for you and I think whatever this cost is probably too much. There has to be a nice one around somewhere. What do they do to a Luger to nuder it? Gary

11-02-2013, 03:50 PM	#7
Ben Evans User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: UK Posts: 94 Thanks: 31 Thanked 25 Times in 12 Posts	Gary, they pin barrel at the breech so a rnd cannot be chambered and but the bolt to 45 degrees, crap but its the only way to pistols in the UK

11-02-2013, 04:40 PM	#8
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Can one own a workable gun of any kind in the U.K. or Canada for that matter? What about those fox hunts?

11-02-2013, 04:57 PM	#9
Ben Evans User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: UK Posts: 94 Thanks: 31 Thanked 25 Times in 12 Posts	Rifles are not a problem, my mate who is a deer stalker has 8 rifles, from .308 down, I have 4 shotguns. Its the pistols, after the Dumblane massacre, labour used it as a rally point to gain support if they got rid of hand guns. The fact the police messed up and with the guys profile he should never have been allowed/issued a license in the first place was not considered, the innocent gun club shooters got penalised due to all that nonsense!!! Dont get me started, it really grips my sh"t to be honest!! Anyway, the answer is yea we can own rifles if you have the land to shoot it on.

11-02-2013, 09:14 PM	#10
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I had never heard of that incident and it was shocking. This is something we can never take for granted. Believe me I never take for forget our right to bear arms but when the definition of 'arms' is in question there can be an issue! Scary as a simular event or events do happen here too!!~~I attached the history our reference! Our problems sound so familiar, Thank You Friend for bringing it to our attention~~~http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_school_massacre and the result ~~http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm...o._2)_Act_1997 !~! Eric..

11-03-2013, 06:55 AM	#12
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	As in the US, Canadians can own full autos if the established regulations are followed.

11-03-2013, 08:14 AM	#13
mystical_tutor User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 230 Thanks: 32 Thanked 39 Times in 25 Posts	Maybe things have changed a bit in Canada then. When I was stationed at Ft. Lewis our Practical Pistol group would swap trips with Canadian police. But it was very strict. When we got to the border a RCMP would pick up our handguns and ammo (after full inspection) take receipt of them and escort us to the event area. Same coming back. Their trip to the US was much simpler. Of course that was 1984+ so it may be easier now. USPSPA is a nationwide affiliation of groups that practice self defense with live ammo on outdoor ranges. Real life situations could be set up with props and you would go though a drill with changing mags, shooting weak hand, using cover etc. Getting a little old for it now but in the day it was sure fun to do it with a Luger.... People couldn't believe it. http://www.uspsa.org/uspsa-media-pre...ose-in-Utah-45